wross996tt

What other hardware/mods?

Dock

None.

wross996tt

I would guess no difference. Why don't you call Kevin to be sure. He is much nicer than me.

Dock

Then could the two ECU programs in this case be termed "off the shelf"?

Mr C

Without intending to speak for Kevin, I think the answer would be yes, however, Kevin can accomodate special requests such as higher or lower rev limiter based on what the customer asks for, I know it because I didn't want him to raise my rev limiter on my car for warranty reasons and he has left it where it is stock, whereas he usually raises it for the 1 Bar program he does.

Just my 0.02.

wross996tt

Sorry, your logic is flawed. Just because 2 programs are the same does not imply they are off the shelf. They are written for AS YOU PUT IT...the same car/conditions and driving style. Off the shelf = generally technology that is ready-made and available for sale, lease, or license to the general public. This is what GIAC offers. This is not what Kevin offers. Call him, you will see (didn't I say this already?).

Dock

Obviously Kevin has the ability to customize his basic program (really all of his programs) . But my guess is that he has a basic program ("off the shelf") for each Stage that he uses to start the process and if needed customizes the program from there. If a customer does not need/want any customizing then I'm sure the basic programming (for example the 1 bar program) would work fine. Would that programming not be considered "off the shelf"? Similarly, the UMW Stage 1 is designed for a specific set of turbochargers (commonly known as GT1's or K16/K24), just like the GIAC Stage 1 programming is designed for K16 turbos. I know that Kevin can customize his Stage 1 program for specific needs, but if customizing is not required, wouldn't the basic Stage 1 programming be considered "off the shelf"?

wross996tt

Yep, that's it story over.

Again you are misinformed...the stage 1 for GIAC could be for K16s or K24s (you just tell them which turbos)...same for stage 2. Stage does not refer to the type of turbos.

You got it now Dock.

Dock

You seem to think I haven't understood what Kevin offers.


I'm not misinformed - I never said the GIAC Stage 1 program refers to just one type of turbo. My comment concerning GIAC programming for K16 turbos is true, it just wasn't all inclusive. The GIAC Stage 1 program for K16 turbos is designed for K16 turbos. The GIAC Stage 1 program for K24 turbos is designed for K24 turbos. This means GIAC designs these two different programs (different programs...but but both designated "Stage 1") based on specific components...my point all along.

Why don't you offer your opinion with regard to my question concerning Kevin having "off the shelf" programs?

wross996tt

Why don't you respond to this misinformation you first posted in #12 and my comments in post #27?

I did, I said call Kevin, which apparently is beyond you.

Dock

My GIAC Stage 2 was designed for K16 turbos. My GIAC Stage 2 was not designed for K24 turbos.

And I've seen no response by you with regard to the question I asked in post #37. Your "call Kevin" response was prior to this question. This is just a car Forum, and you obviously don't have to answer. I just think it would be interesting to hear what you think.

Kevin

My programming for a 1 bar upgrade isn't considered a "stage".. It's just a flash/file upgrade which includes hardware ie OBD2 programmer. However, the base file was written for a "stock" car, stock turbochargers. Once we have established the fueling and boost I will split the file into regions.. West coast CRAP fuel, Midwest and East Coast 93 and 94 octane. Then we have RPM limits and Speed limits.. The RPM is set from stock to 7000 RPM and in rare cases at customers own risk 7200 (not recommended) The speedo usually gets bumped to 200mph.. So one could request ala carte, Stock RPM, Speed limit removed, and West Coast fuel. On top of the they could request a race gas file.

We have options with my programming. Now if one one was to request "custom" tuning, I would have to have the car and mount it up to my dyno..

wross996tt

Well Dock...There you have it...you didn't even have to pick up the phone.

viprklr

Holy cow. I'm glad that's over. You guys are worse than two women.

Dock

Right...for a base car with no changes to limiter or speedometer...it's a base "off the shelf" program.