Modded TT vs New GT2
11-17-2007, 07:21 PM
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Tom, I'm thinking similar thoughts and If I could swing it and not get divorced (Which is why I'm not "trying to swing it") I'd sell mine and jump on the new GT2.
That said, I heard orders are being pre-sold at $40K more than MSRP. I haven't checked this myself, only told it by another guy at the track the other day, who has a new 997TT and who wants a GT2, but was told what the price would be on the new 2008 GT2.
Mike
That said, I heard orders are being pre-sold at $40K more than MSRP. I haven't checked this myself, only told it by another guy at the track the other day, who has a new 997TT and who wants a GT2, but was told what the price would be on the new 2008 GT2.
Mike
11-17-2007, 10:39 PM
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Tom, I'm thinking similar thoughts and If I could swing it and not get divorced (Which is why I'm not "trying to swing it") I'd sell mine and jump on the new GT2.
That said, I heard orders are being pre-sold at $40K more than MSRP. I haven't checked this myself, only told it by another guy at the track the other day, who has a new 997TT and who wants a GT2, but was told what the price would be on the new 2008 GT2.
Mike
That said, I heard orders are being pre-sold at $40K more than MSRP. I haven't checked this myself, only told it by another guy at the track the other day, who has a new 997TT and who wants a GT2, but was told what the price would be on the new 2008 GT2.
Mike
I am going to keep going down with the weight and up with the hp and brakes.
I need to deal with twin turbo charged vettes, vipers, 997GT3's what ever!!!
so nothing stock is really going to cut it anyway!!
11-18-2007, 02:27 AM
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Tom, what's left on the weight loss regimen? Is there a plexi rear window? Sun roof removal?
If you are doing any street driving, I can't see getting rid of the air conditioning in Florida. Are there carbon panels in your future? AS
If you are doing any street driving, I can't see getting rid of the air conditioning in Florida. Are there carbon panels in your future? AS
11-18-2007, 05:26 AM
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Tom, I have also been meaning to ask you this awhile now, did your rear wing improve the top end stability (adding more down-force) you can actually notice versus stock wing? Thanks.
11-18-2007, 01:29 PM
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AS, currently finishing the 944 Challenge race season with a 6 hour night enduro at Sebring.
As for the TT the upgrades that are currently being added are a series of Professional driving lessions for myself. I am leaning toward leaving the TT alone for DE instruction and time trials and looking at getting into a Cup car.
Simon my car came with the factory porsche aerokit and the factory aero wing. I cannot compare it to stock but as the speeds increase over 150 you can feel the downforce and the car squating down pretty hard so what I have works.
that's why the comments on the car being unstable at higher speeds never made much sense to me.
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As for the TT the upgrades that are currently being added are a series of Professional driving lessions for myself. I am leaning toward leaving the TT alone for DE instruction and time trials and looking at getting into a Cup car.
Simon my car came with the factory porsche aerokit and the factory aero wing. I cannot compare it to stock but as the speeds increase over 150 you can feel the downforce and the car squating down pretty hard so what I have works.
that's why the comments on the car being unstable at higher speeds never made much sense to me.
cheers
11-18-2007, 04:43 PM
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One needs to keep in mind that in stock form the 997GT2 is about 23 seconds faster than the 996TT on the 'Ring. In Hockenheim, the stock 997GT2 is faster than the fastest "tuned and modified" 996TT by 1.5 seconds approx. and 2 seconds than the 997TT, that is not little over a 1:10s lap time.
Think of the 997GT2 potential with some upgraded suspension modifications and aggressive alignment settings..
Best thing about it is how easy it is to drive with all the electornics that they kept in place.
More on how good it is in stock form... 0-125-0 mph...
997GT2 16.3s vs. 996TT 19.6s vs. Techart 996TT GTStreet 17.1s.
Pricewise, obviously there is no comparison.
Think of the 997GT2 potential with some upgraded suspension modifications and aggressive alignment settings..
Best thing about it is how easy it is to drive with all the electornics that they kept in place.More on how good it is in stock form... 0-125-0 mph...
997GT2 16.3s vs. 996TT 19.6s vs. Techart 996TT GTStreet 17.1s.
Pricewise, obviously there is no comparison.
11-18-2007, 05:42 PM
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I think that a 996 Turbo with suspension mods (X73 minimum), aggressive alignment, and 600-700 horsepower is going to stay right with the 997 GT2.
11-18-2007, 06:06 PM
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Don't forget that the 23 second difference is over a non-X73, non-X50 996 Turbo. A 996 Turbo with both of these options, and MPSC tires, would easily carve off a large chunk of this time.
My guess is that the 997 GT2 already has these things in place.
I think that a 996 Turbo with suspension mods (X73 minimum), aggressive alignment, and 600-700 horsepower is going to stay right with the 997 GT2.
My guess is that the 997 GT2 already has these things in place.
I think that a 996 Turbo with suspension mods (X73 minimum), aggressive alignment, and 600-700 horsepower is going to stay right with the 997 GT2.
11-18-2007, 06:07 PM
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Hard to tell Dock, however I am sure that the 997GT2 is far from being stretched, suspension wise, and certainly alignment settings, to get a 996TT close to a 997GT2 handling-wise, I doubt the car would be streetable anymore.
Consider that in Hockenheim the stock 997GT2 (magazine test) went faster than the fastest Tuner 996TT (heavily modified) by 1.5 seconds, and that 996TT had beaten the track record for modified street legal cars.
I would not underestimate the upside potential of the 997GT2. Another clear comparison is the slalom test peformed by Sport Auto, whereby the 997GT2 did the slalom with a speed of 157kph (about 98 mph), whereas the 996TT did it in 139kph (86mph), with a good 30 odd cars ranked in between them, including some BMWs and Audis, even the Boxster S, etc..
I am just trying to put things into perspective.
Consider that in Hockenheim the stock 997GT2 (magazine test) went faster than the fastest Tuner 996TT (heavily modified) by 1.5 seconds, and that 996TT had beaten the track record for modified street legal cars.
I would not underestimate the upside potential of the 997GT2. Another clear comparison is the slalom test peformed by Sport Auto, whereby the 997GT2 did the slalom with a speed of 157kph (about 98 mph), whereas the 996TT did it in 139kph (86mph), with a good 30 odd cars ranked in between them, including some BMWs and Audis, even the Boxster S, etc..
I am just trying to put things into perspective.
11-18-2007, 10:52 PM
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So, what is the magic in the 997gt2? Seems silly....tune a 996 and get a 997...what is really different if you can do anything to suspension, turbos, ECU, wing, etc?
I am not naive...the 997gt2 seems faster than its numbers would allow....
Some tuners have 8500RPM turbos in the works ...assuming the clutches are nice...how could one of those be slower than the new GT2. I think the modified 996tt is the way to go too.... Porsche does want to sell more cars....
JB
I am not naive...the 997gt2 seems faster than its numbers would allow....
Some tuners have 8500RPM turbos in the works ...assuming the clutches are nice...how could one of those be slower than the new GT2. I think the modified 996tt is the way to go too.... Porsche does want to sell more cars....
JB
11-18-2007, 11:00 PM
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I would love a new GT2 if they came in a cab version.... The GT2 is lighter, designed to be RWD (not a conversion)...to get the 996TT tuned to beat the GT2 performance and handling you might have to spend the same amount of money as buying the GT2 in the first place...?
11-18-2007, 11:38 PM
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Hard to tell Dock, however I am sure that the 997GT2 is far from being stretched, suspension wise, and certainly alignment settings, to get a 996TT close to a 997GT2 handling-wise, I doubt the car would be streetable anymore.
Consider that in Hockenheim the stock 997GT2 (magazine test) went faster than the fastest Tuner 996TT (heavily modified) by 1.5 seconds, and that 996TT had beaten the track record for modified street legal cars.
I would not underestimate the upside potential of the 997GT2. Another clear comparison is the slalom test peformed by Sport Auto, whereby the 997GT2 did the slalom with a speed of 157kph (about 98 mph), whereas the 996TT did it in 139kph (86mph), with a good 30 odd cars ranked in between them, including some BMWs and Audis, even the Boxster S, etc..
I am just trying to put things into perspective.
Consider that in Hockenheim the stock 997GT2 (magazine test) went faster than the fastest Tuner 996TT (heavily modified) by 1.5 seconds, and that 996TT had beaten the track record for modified street legal cars.
I would not underestimate the upside potential of the 997GT2. Another clear comparison is the slalom test peformed by Sport Auto, whereby the 997GT2 did the slalom with a speed of 157kph (about 98 mph), whereas the 996TT did it in 139kph (86mph), with a good 30 odd cars ranked in between them, including some BMWs and Audis, even the Boxster S, etc..
I am just trying to put things into perspective.
thanks
tom
11-19-2007, 01:24 AM
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If the variables are weight, power, and handling, then:
997GT2 wins on weight with alumonum doors and no front differential, etc- so the modified 996 tt has to go on an aggressive diet.
Power- a modded 996tt will equal power of a standard GT2, and given the similarities of the engine, ultimate tuning should result in comparable power outputs.
Handling- awd has its limitations, but with similar suspension set-ups, wheels, and tires, the gap will be small.
So, it seems the 996tt should be close, if you can make the weight close. As you can see in F1, great drivers can demonstrate the difference that even 2 gallons of gas makes on lap times. AS
997GT2 wins on weight with alumonum doors and no front differential, etc- so the modified 996 tt has to go on an aggressive diet.
Power- a modded 996tt will equal power of a standard GT2, and given the similarities of the engine, ultimate tuning should result in comparable power outputs.
Handling- awd has its limitations, but with similar suspension set-ups, wheels, and tires, the gap will be small.
So, it seems the 996tt should be close, if you can make the weight close. As you can see in F1, great drivers can demonstrate the difference that even 2 gallons of gas makes on lap times. AS