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Oak, Kevin, thanks for the input!!
Dan, I'm not sure what you meant by the other products comment. All the products I have mentioned are all on your awesome website......no worries
Dan, I'm not sure what you meant by the other products comment. All the products I have mentioned are all on your awesome website......no worries
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Originally Posted by Oak
tom, thanks not sure it would help me at this stage. I get abit gasseous reading some posts. You know like eating that last piece o pizza when you know it will do you in, once read it's too late.
on the jrz's, I have been inquiring about motons and asked sharkster about them he mentioned that he misses his JRZ, he now has the motons. maybe he can put some input since he has run both coil overs.
paging sharkdood, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
on the jrz's, I have been inquiring about motons and asked sharkster about them he mentioned that he misses his JRZ, he now has the motons. maybe he can put some input since he has run both coil overs.
paging sharkdood, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
My car handled phenonmenally- better than almost any other TT I've driven with the JRZs (bear in mind I've got a lot of GT3 RSR and other parts on the car). I think they make the best shock available (sachs, penske, ohlins- it's at that level). And when you go adjusting them guess what? Compliance does NOT go out the window. You can indeed make them compliant on the street (if a little on the stiff side with the springs I ran) and then superb on the track with some adjusting. Van OverBeek and Darren Law both said my car was set up fantastically well and although we came in 2nd or 3rd on the track event with my car we also came in 1st with the GT2 that had a very similair set up. Cary Eisenlohr was the guru in terms of setting up the JRZs, the adjustable control arms and helping me get rid of all of the rubber. Switching to motons AND slightly lesser spring rates my car is more suitable to drive on the road and "not quite" as edgy on the track. I couldn't tell you which "shock" is better as at that level it's all in the set up. But I'm amazed at the way the 996C2 is with even the single adjustable JRZs. It's not a "street" kit by any means but I'll be darned if those aren't some fine shocks indeed. I'm lucky in the Bay Area to have a bunch of tracks and Rolex/ALMS drivers that once in a while test out our cars either as friends or owners. They very much are my litmus test and the jury says JRZ for pure track and Motons for street/track. The JRZs do bleed and require maintenance and to truly adjust them you need to have a lift or at least all fours off of the ground and no load on the shocks. The motons have slightly different (perhaps more modern) hardware and you can adjust with the shocks under pressure since there's a check valve.
So where does that leave me? Well my cars are primarily street cars so I'm actually putting on some Moton Club Sports on the C2 just like on the Turbo. I like the fact that I can take just about any turn without even a hint of bump steer, pogo or any other nuisance and the fact that a pro driver might not be quite as quick in those cars as they would have been when they rode on JRZs doesn't bother me personally.
And finally... double adjustables are certainly more finicky, may require you look/maintain them etc.. They are usually race or race-derived parts so look for leaks and such from time to time. But also make SURE you have them installed by experienced techs. I've seen two many instances of frayed lines, incorrect orientation and generally poor set up resulting in a lot of agro to you the customer. You have to know the difference between compression and rebound. You need to know where to run the lines. You need to know where NOT to run them etc.. Be careful is all I'm saying.
No suspension company "owns my soul" and I still very much feel like I am one of you guys. Yes I have my lil' shop too but I've really tried all of these on my car(s) so if I've made any companies upset or they feel their products have been "dissed", there's nothing I can do. That's just been my experiences.
My advice is when possible if you are considering any type of suspension, then TRY and get a ride in a car that has it installed. See what's too rough/not enough for you. I can tell you that out of the last 7-8 Moton and 2-3 JRZ double adjustable kits we've done they have all started with PSS9s, then either gone to JICs or right up to said double adjustables. It's been even more expensive for them unfortunately.
I hope I haven't scared any one off with this and if I never sell another PSS9 kit again then so be it!
PS And one final thing- please don't just slap on springs on a TT. I've chucked away more H&R spring kits than I've thrown away Beru Spark plugs. Trust me- as much as you think you just want to "lower" the car your handling will go out the window.
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yes yes i am the one that got a ride in one of alex gt700 car with the motons and those suspension are great (only if i stop by alexs' shop before i bought my kw v3s) the ride feels a lot like stock suspension but with very good performance. there is a big difference from so call street suspension and motons i myself have read a lot of post on suspension before i bought the kw v3s but haven't actually ride in any till i got mine install by alex and james of course and my buddy got the pss9 setup and they both don't compare to the motons but of course it really depends on what a person wants and expects from their suspension. for me, i was looking for a suspesion that feels like stock suspension (with out harsh low speed bump feel) but has good handling and stable at high speed. i also notice with the street suspension you cant really have the best of both worlds because i drove the car with factory settings from kw and they were a bit to stiff for me but i notice at high speed the car was very stable and after i got it set by alex and james again (due to the stiffness) the ride feels better at low speed bumps but at hight speed i get some pretty scary bump steer.
for the people that are looking to get suspension for their car they should really try to find someone with the suspension they are planning to buy and get a ride from them to see if that satisfy their needs before buying. there is really no street or track performance suspension its how you want your ride to feel and handle
for the people that are looking to get suspension for their car they should really try to find someone with the suspension they are planning to buy and get a ride from them to see if that satisfy their needs before buying. there is really no street or track performance suspension its how you want your ride to feel and handle
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Originally Posted by Woodster
Holy Crap Sharkey,
you sound "as if" you have been around a few different suspensions...
MK
you sound "as if" you have been around a few different suspensions...
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Sharkey,
I knew that and think your post was one of the most intelligent ever posted (about suspensions)
the other guy that is much quieter on the boards and knows everything about
suspensions is Steve Weiner at Rennsport Systems: very astute!
MK
I knew that and think your post was one of the most intelligent ever posted (about suspensions)
the other guy that is much quieter on the boards and knows everything about
suspensions is Steve Weiner at Rennsport Systems: very astute!
MK
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Originally Posted by Woodster
Sharkey,
I knew that and think your post was one of the most intelligent ever posted (about suspensions)
the other guy that is much quieter on the boards and knows everything about
suspensions is Steve Weiner at Rennsport Systems: very astute!
MK
I knew that and think your post was one of the most intelligent ever posted (about suspensions)
the other guy that is much quieter on the boards and knows everything about
suspensions is Steve Weiner at Rennsport Systems: very astute!
MK