msindi

I am about to order the Lidatek dual laser transponder system and e-mailed Lidatek to see if they offered anything for the rear: unfortunately, they don't!
What options do I have?? I am interested in something that is concealable and wont ruin the esthetics of that beautiful rear on the TT (the K40 license plate frame is just too ugly).
Also, are there any issues with using different products (brands) for fron and rear?
I am planning to integrate front and rear laser diffusers with a V1 remote into something unique (either in the rearview or something new - see my other post for suggestions on this).
All input appreciated.

Oak

msindi, If you wait awhile, I think Lidatek will have a LE-30 available. The chances of getting nailed with laser from behind is very remote. If want to cover your rear the LE20 can be set up with a single trans the front and one for the rear.

Zippy

I had the LE 20 installed last fall along with an escort SR1 radar detector. The installer did an excellent job. I decided to go with a fully concealed radar detector as opposed to having one hanging off the windshield. The radar detector seem to work great. Haven't had the pleasure of jamming any radar yet though.

Trojan Man

I agree with Oak that you will probably never experience the misfortune of laser nabbing you from behind. I could get into major detail, but Valentine's website has a good explanation in the FAQ section somewhere.

Also, IMHO simply having a laser DETECTOR is pretty much completely useless. You see, if you detect it, you've already been read...so all you're doing is being told that your nailed.

Now, laser JAMMING is a different ballgame altogether. Laser jamming is nearly 100% effective IF used properly. Laser beam dispersion is only a matter of inches at several hundred feet, so in order to work, the laser beam has to be aimed almost directly at the jammer. This is why it is crucial to have the jammer placed in a proper "targeted" location such as the front license plate frame, inside the headlight assemblies, etc... Basically what I'm getting at is to be properly covered against about 75% of laser paintings, you need at least 3 jammers in your front alone.

But if the cop decides to become creative and paint the center of your hood, windscreen, or some other place instead of your front plate, then all bets are off and the $$ you just spent is down the drain.

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msindi

So would mounting the jammers in front of the radiators (in the grills) on the 996TT be useles??

KPV

I agree with Trojan Man concerning the lack of a real need to have rear laser detection. Police simply do not use laser this way.
I also agree with him in that you would theoretically need protection at each of the aim points (lights and license plate).
Upon speaking at length with a radar and laser expert during a recent court case of mine, I offer the following:
Since the laser beam is in the fringes of the light spectrum, its response characteristics are the same as visible light. If the police aimed it at your hood, it would reflect as light would. In other words, angle of incidence equals angle of departure. So, if a cop aims a laser at your hood, the reflection would bounce off and up over your roof (like the mirror routine you have seen in the James Bond movies or a billiard ball against a bumper). This is the single most important reason why police aim (and it must be aimed by hand) at the license plate or front lights. This way the reflection comes back to them allowing a speed measurement. This is also why laser is not used from behind, it is too hard to aim.

KPV

As a supplement to my previous post, I would advise you to get a V1 and use it in you normal driving routine and environment over an extended period of time. See how often you receive laser alerts and use your judgment as to whether it is really necessary. I also receive false signals from time to time from the LED brake lights in cars in front of me. On last years's Gumball Rally, we were in close proximity (like fighter pilots) to a BMW Z8 (or is it Z9?.....The expensive one?) throughout our nightime leg through Virginia. We were doing a constant 140 mph (no comments from the peanut gallery please!) and every time I got within three car lengths of them, my V1 would go berserk! Just something to consider since many new cars are incorporating LED brake lights these days. LED's are on, or close to, the same wavelength as laser. My laser legitimately goes off less than 5% of the time.

msindi

Ok, I will go ahead and order the V1 with remote unit from Valentine's website (this way I can get upgrades in future!) and wait until I find an install that I like!
Also, on the angle of incidence = angle of reflection issue, this is true for cases where a surface is perfectly reflective. However, when refraction is involved, this equation gets modifed as the refractive index through different layers has to be accounted for. Is there some sort of paint or spray that one could spray on their car that would refract the police's laser so much that the reflected beam would never reach the original gun??

PN

Hi guys,

Please excuse a dumb question, but here in Australia, they use what they call 'Multinova' a portable camera unit that they usually hide in a spot . Now for a jammer, a laser or a radar jammer would be good ? Would the Blinder twin M-10 be sufficient for this or the Scorpionjammer?

Thanks In Advance,

PN

mjc123

After 3,500+ miles across the U.S. in the Gumball3000, My Escort Shofter Laser Diffuser provided nothing but false alarms.

My V1, on the other hand, gave me at least a 2 second advantage (at 150 mph) over those with K40's and Escort detectors, and saved me at least $1,500 in tickets and who knows how much in insurance costs.

Trojan Man

Passive radar jammers are 100% ineffective. Every report ever published has said that passive units such as the Phazer and others simply do not work at all.

On the other hand, active jammers work very well for X and K band radar, but still cannot tackle the superwide Ka band. There's only 1 problem with these units: they are 100% illegal in the U.S. (and I venture to say most of the world). Occasionally you will find 1 or 2 for sale on Ebay - they sell for around $400-$600. One company sells plans so you can construct your own, but it is very crude and would look horrible mounted squat on the dash of a turbo.

If you are interested, search for "active radar jammer" on ebay and/or yahoo to learn more.

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TonyNJ

I just purchased a V-1 and would like to know if I can be confident with it. I live in the city and the x-band is constantly going off. On the highway it gets quieter but I don't feel safe of radar detection. Should I invest in the diffuser or is the V-1 good enough for the task. My point is has anyone here been saved or nailed with the V-1.

KPV

Tony,
Like MJC123, my V1 saves my butt countless times during my participation in the 2002 Gumball. Here in NJ, it has done the same. It is worth its weight in gold as far as I am concerned. Remember, there are differnet programs you can set for the various regions in which you drive. If you are getting a lot of falsing, try a different program more suitable for that region. I never change mine but then again, there are not many other sources of radar out here in cow country.
Also remember, you need to learn how it reacts and in time you will usually be able to tell when it is real and when it is false. BTW, where in NJ are you?
Regards,
Ken

TonyNJ

KPV, I live in North Bergen. Thanks for the advice.