caneaddict

The new 65's from Mercedes should light a flame under Porsche's ***!

MKW

Hamann - that yellow ENZO in North Carolina weighed 3300 lbs as tested in this month's Motor Trend or Car and Driver - 200 lbs more than a Corvette Z06 - should we buy that so we can call the Ferrari a pig , too ? BTW, that ENZO needed $24000 of rotors and $6000 of new pads after the mag testing and 1000 miles of mostly street driving - so much for " lightweight" and " track" ability . It's brakes are as seemingly flimsy for real track use as the Porsche PCCBs we are finding out . Marketing pressures are obviously pushing these not ready for prime time stoppers - here comes MBZ's version on the SLR

L8Apex

Just seeing that big Merc run 11's just made my day! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> What a sleeper! I must say Mercedes does one hell of a job putting together big reliable HP. My wife ran her ML55 at the track (1/4) all day in the middle of the summer 15 runs total and no worries. mid 14's all day.

I think your EGO would have a bigger bruise on it if you get your *** handed to ya by a big 4 door Mercedes versus a 996tt with 750hp. Now just throw a couple of baby seats in the back of the Merc and that will really be pouring salt on the wound! <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

jcramair1

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by L8apex:
<strong>Just seeing that big Merc run 11's just made my day! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> What a sleeper! I must say Mercedes does one hell of a job putting together big reliable HP. My wife ran her ML55 at the track (1/4) all day in the middle of the summer 15 runs total and no worries. mid 14's all day.

I think your EGO would have a bigger bruise on it if you get your *** handed to ya by a big 4 door Mercedes versus a 996tt with 750hp. Now just throw a couple of baby seats in the back of the Merc and that will really be pouring salt on the wound! <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Well said...

L8Apex

cjv.

What Stage IV? I was running my M3. As far as times 12.7-8's on 19" BBS CH's with street tires. Can't wait to see your car in person!!

Frank Sinatra

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by caneaddict:
<strong>The new 65's from Mercedes should light a flame under Porsche's ***!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Lets see if I can keep this debate going.
To Mr.Cane, Only in a Straight line, and only to the stock 911TT or any other NA 6cylinder porsche. The benzo is still an Automatic, thats not going to help it much on a roadcourse. 0-60 is 3.9(very impressive for a big old coupe,4300 pounds). The price of the 65 is 190000. Thats 70grand more than a 911TT(118000). With that extra 70grand im sure i could get the TT equal to 3.9 or below. Whats the price of a GT2, I know its around 190000. Heck for the price of the 65, i could buy a GT2. Im pretty sure 0-60 on a GT2 is under 3.9 I really dont think we can compare the 65 to the TT, or any other porsche for that matter. They truly are differnt cars. So with that said, I dont think Porsche is going to have to worry about any excessive heat under its rump for a while. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Frank Sinatra

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Hamann7:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by cjv:
<strong> I don't know but I would be willing to guess it isn't 190 mph. If you sacrifice top end you can do wonders with the lower end???

The Enzo's handicap wouldn't be much less?

The fact is Porsche could ring 600 hp from their current motor with little to no trouble and still be very streetable. Weather Porsche believes there is a profitable market for such cars is unknown.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">cjv, with a delimited ECU, the S600 would have no problem hitting 190, maybe even more. They say that the SL 55 can hit speeds of well over 200mph, but no one made proper tires to sustain those speeds for extended periods for a 4500lb. car. This is with stock gearing

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">The only way I could see the S600 or SL55 hitting 190 or 200 is on an extremley flat, straight, and well paved road. There is no way those cars could keep up with CJV's turbo, or any other turbo, on a road course, or nice twisty mountain road. They simply do not have the proper aeroydynamics, weight, or suspension to do such a thing. Yes, i will agree, the new Benzos are Badass. But the only fair comparison that we can do between the two is quarter mile times, 0-60, and any other thing that is tested on a drag strip. In the end they are completley differnt cars. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Hamann7

Frank Sinatra,

If you doubt that the Mercedes could hit over 200mph, then obviously you have never heard of the Brabus EV12 that was in the Guinness Book of World Records for a 4-door sedan.

The new Mercedes are just as fast as the old Brabus, and the new 65 AMG will be even faster.

No one ever said that the Mercedes was a road racing car. Of course cjv's car will be superior to a much larger and heavier S-Class. No surprise there.

cjv, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your car tops out around 175 or so, doesn't it? So obviously, cjv's car was not built for sustained super high speed travel either... it is meant more for acceleration. For flat out sustained top speed running like the Silver State Classic, I believe a tuned S600 would have a clear advantage in this department.

If you are looking for a Porsche that would hand the S600 it's *** on a platter for top speed, you can either go with Ruf or Protomotive like Wilber's Turbo, which IMO is the perfect autobahn Turbo (dare I say maybe even better than the Ruf R Turbo?). His car can hit 200+ like it's nothing. Trust me, we know. His car may not be quite as accelerative than cjv's (I swear it's still a 10 second 1/4 mi. car), but on a flat out run, wilber's setup has a much higher top speed and sustain those speeds for much longer. I believe that the twin Garrett T034's flow more air for a longer period of time than the GT-25's at the expense of spooling time.

The point is, even 2 identical platforms can be setup in different ways. For a road course, I'd take cjv's monster, but for a Gumball Rally, I'd take a modded S600 or Wilber's Turbo.

AdamT

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Hamann7:
<strong>

If you are looking for a Porsche that would hand the S600 it's *** on a platter for top speed, you can either go with Ruf or Protomotive like Wilber's Turbo, which IMO is the perfect autobahn Turbo (dare I say maybe even better than the Ruf R Turbo?). His car can hit 200+ like it's nothing. Trust me, we know. His car may not be quite as accelerative than cjv's (I swear it's still a 10 second 1/4 mi. car), but on a flat out run, wilber's setup has a much higher top speed and sustain those speeds for much longer. I believe that the twin Garrett T034's flow more air for a longer period of time than the GT-25's at the expense of spooling time.

The point is, even 2 identical platforms can be setup in different ways. For a road course, I'd take cjv's monster, but for a Gumball Rally, I'd take a modded S600 or Wilber's Turbo.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Its a shame wilber doesnt live in europe, we could find out..

Seriously all these cars are great, they just fit different roles,

And if i ever see proper evidence that a sl55 hits 200+ mph ill eat my proverbial hat..

pig4bill

I thought I read where Mercedes had taken the speed limiter off an SL55 and ran it to 215.

As for Porsche being complacent thinking they are king of the hill, this is about the worst time for it. The new Lambo is coming out soon, as well as the Saleen S7, the Mosler, and the SLR. Two or three of MBZ models have more power. Heck, even the Ford GT will have 500 hp at about 3300 lbs.

Frank Sinatra

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by pig4bill:
<strong>I thought I read where Mercedes had taken the speed limiter off an SL55 and ran it to 215.

As for Porsche being complacent thinking they are king of the hill, this is about the worst time for it. The new Lambo is coming out soon, as well as the Saleen S7, the Mosler, and the SLR. Two or three of MBZ models have more power. Heck, even the Ford GT will have 500 hp at about 3300 lbs.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Yes, and to battle some of the cars you mentioned, Porsche will have the Carrera GT. I really dont think Porsche has a problem with not having enough HP right now. Yes the Ford GT is fast, im not sure exactly what the #s are. But im sure the 911TT and GT2 and maybe even the GT3 can hold there own against it. Saleen S7 isnt a problem because of the Carerra GT. The Mosler is cool, but it doesnt have that great of quality. And Im not sure to many TT owners really want a car that is as hardcore as a mosler. The Carerra GT, and maybe the GT2 should be able to handle the SLR. The lambo is great, but I dont think lambo is in a position to take any sales away from Porsche for a while. Basically what im saying here, Is Porsche Rules! It always has and always will. The End.

Frank Sinatra

Hamann, I will reply to your statements a little later. Im tired, ive really got to go to bed. Ill Talk or type with you tomorrow, ah crap, it is tomorrow.

AdamT

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by cjv:
<strong>AdamT,

I can save you the trip. Protomotive did Wilber's car. With the power he is packing and stock gears 200 mph would be conservative. If I hadn't changed my gearing I would top end somewhere between 223 and 228 mph @ 7400 rpm's. If Wilber has not changed his stock redline he has more than enough power to overcome wind friction up to about 206 mph.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Thanks CJV for the reply!There is never any doubt as to whos Porsche is king of the hill, 228 is quite a considerable speed!

Wilbers 206mph is darn impressive however, but i dont uderstand how the R Turbo will hit 351km/h(215mph), i guess it is down to the gearing.

I was lucky enough to actually hit those kind of speeds with Mr RUF.
a) its scary
b) in the R Turbo we were actually still accelerating at 330km/h, we only had to let off because of traffic.
c)these speeds are very rare, but damn cool!

all the very best
adam

Hamann7

cjv,

I am very confident that Wilber's Protomotive setup will run quite a bit more than 206mph. At 200mph, the car is still pulling VERY strong and the setup is designed for top speed running like the Ruf. At 625hp to the wheels, I would think his car's top speed (assuming that his redline was set similar to yours) should be somewhere near the 223-228 mark that you are claiming.

The only difference is his car would sustain longer periods running those speeds given enough road.

Adam, I think cjv means that it would get to 206 assuming the redline has not been changed from stock. Doesn't the R Turbo redline higher than stock?

I also believe that the Protomotive setup would get to 200mph and beyond in less time than the Ruf, after all he is running approx. 700fwhp.

AdamT

Ya its a shame though we will never find out, maybe one day...

all the best
adam