Does anyone know of any
08-05-2002, 11:35 PM
#1
Racer
Thread Starter
Does anyone know of any
Top gun Porsche Tuners in the South Florida. I know FVD is located in this area however from the little dealing I have had with them it seems like a poorly run operation at best. I am looking for someone who can rebuild tranny's and roll the fenders on my TT as well as a few other little things. Thanks in advance <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" /> <img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />
08-06-2002, 01:27 AM
#2
Racer
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: New York City
Posts: 337
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Not sure about Top Gun, but Germantech is in Largo, FL. <a href="http://www.germantech.com" target="_blank">www.germantech.com</a>
Renntech is somewhat top gun, and I think they're in Florida.
<img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />
Renntech is somewhat top gun, and I think they're in Florida.
<img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />
08-06-2002, 11:40 AM
#3
Addict
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
Depends where in S. Florida. If you are moving to SW Florida then I wish you luck. I am still looking for a decent shop where I live in Ft. Myers. The dealership down here is a joke IMO. SE Florida is a bit better with plenty of Porsche shops, none of which I have experience with. Orlando also has a few shops.
I have no experience with Germantech but have heard of them through Suncoast PCA.
G-d help me if I ever need any real work done on my 996.
I have no experience with Germantech but have heard of them through Suncoast PCA.
G-d help me if I ever need any real work done on my 996.
08-06-2002, 12:41 PM
#4
Pro
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: MIAMI
Posts: 514
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
HEY DUANE . I AM SORRY TO SEE THAT THE " LITTLE " DEALINGS YOU HAD WITH US , ALL THE PEOPLE YOU SPOKE TO HERE , ALL THE PRICE QUOTES WE GAVE YOU,
YOU STILL HAVEN 'T DONE ANYTHING TO YOUR CAR ??
I CAN UNDERSTAND , CUSTOMERS WANT THINGS DONE AT A GOOD , FARE PRICE. REALITY , ALSO IS IF YOU WANT TO PLAY , YOU ARE GOING TO PAY . NO SHORT CUTS, DISCOUNTS OR FREEBEE'S. OUR VIEW, YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY. ( DREAM MAYBE ?? )
YOU WANT TO SEE " POORLY RUN " OPERTIONS ?? I CAN SUPPLY A FEW NAMES FOR YOU. FORTUNATELY, OUR 996, 993,964 TURBO CONVERSIONS ARE WELL DEVELOPED, AND DON 'T BREAK !!
I WISH YOU LUCK IN YOUR SEARCH. I " THINK " YOU WILL REALIZE, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR !!!
SHANK ........... RENNTECH MAINLY DOES BENZES BRO.
THEO
YOU STILL HAVEN 'T DONE ANYTHING TO YOUR CAR ??
I CAN UNDERSTAND , CUSTOMERS WANT THINGS DONE AT A GOOD , FARE PRICE. REALITY , ALSO IS IF YOU WANT TO PLAY , YOU ARE GOING TO PAY . NO SHORT CUTS, DISCOUNTS OR FREEBEE'S. OUR VIEW, YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY. ( DREAM MAYBE ?? )
YOU WANT TO SEE " POORLY RUN " OPERTIONS ?? I CAN SUPPLY A FEW NAMES FOR YOU. FORTUNATELY, OUR 996, 993,964 TURBO CONVERSIONS ARE WELL DEVELOPED, AND DON 'T BREAK !!
I WISH YOU LUCK IN YOUR SEARCH. I " THINK " YOU WILL REALIZE, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR !!!
SHANK ........... RENNTECH MAINLY DOES BENZES BRO.
THEO
08-06-2002, 12:59 PM
#5
Instructor
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: LI, NY
Posts: 204
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
GREEK-TURBO-RACER,
For all I know you may have the best shop in the world, but this is not a reason to yell.
In the future, could you please refrain from using CAPS in all your posts. By default, posting in CAPS is considered yelling. You may find it strange, but it is true. Some people have sensitive ears
Thank you.
For all I know you may have the best shop in the world, but this is not a reason to yell.
In the future, could you please refrain from using CAPS in all your posts. By default, posting in CAPS is considered yelling. You may find it strange, but it is true. Some people have sensitive ears
Thank you.
08-06-2002, 01:31 PM
#6
Racer
Thread Starter
Whomever that is posting for FVD I am not sure what your intention is but I was just stating my opinion in my small dealings with your company. Since you feel it is necessary to defend yourself I should share a little about my experience.
I was given FVD's name from another boarder who has the ecu program. I put in a call and spoke with Brian one of the sales people. I told him that one of my goals was to obtain over 600HP. Brian told me that that was no problem. He informed me that they could do that with an exhaust, ecu, turbos and a cam. Brian quoted me a price of about $15000.00. I told him that I was interested and that I wanted a little more info at which point he told me I should speak the owner Willie Brombacher. The following day I was told that Mr. Brombacher would be calling me at 10am. I never received a call. I called Brian and was informed he would be would be calling in 10 mins. Long story short I did not receive a call for two hours. Finally Mr. Brombacher called. I told him about my goals and he told that the only way to obtain 600HP was to have the engine crated up and sent to Germany. I do not have a problem with that but when he told me the cost was about $45000.00 I was in shock. I informed him that Brian had quoted me $15000.00. Mr. Brombacher's words were and I quote "Brian is a salesman and does not know what he is talking about." After I completed my conversation with Mr. Bromacher I called Brian again. I told him about what Mr. Brombacher had told me and his words are that Mr. Bromacher was incorrect in his information. So now the owner of the company is giving me incorrect information. I told Brian to get back with me on a price on the Ruf exhaust and accurate information on the pricing on the 600HP package. He said the price of the Ruf exhaust was no more than $3500.00 and would call me the following day. I did not receive a call for three day's and finally after placing three unreturned phone call's I spoke with if I am not mistaken Chip the new manager. I was given a price on the Ruf exhaust of $6600.00 about $3100.00 more than Brian had quoted me three day's earlier. At this point I had pretty much had it with FVD but I made one last request to Brian to get me detailed info on the Cam. To this date I have never received any info. I have spoken to one other boarder who had had very similar experience and I will not mention the name. I will say that I cannot actually comment on the quality of work that FVD does because it never got to that point as well as them having what seemed to have a very knowledgeable Mechanic named Felix.
Lastly let me say that I am glad that I have not rushed to make any decisions on a Tuner. You learn something new everyday and especially from the experiences of others. I hope to decide on what I am gonna do in the next 6 weeks.
<img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />
I was given FVD's name from another boarder who has the ecu program. I put in a call and spoke with Brian one of the sales people. I told him that one of my goals was to obtain over 600HP. Brian told me that that was no problem. He informed me that they could do that with an exhaust, ecu, turbos and a cam. Brian quoted me a price of about $15000.00. I told him that I was interested and that I wanted a little more info at which point he told me I should speak the owner Willie Brombacher. The following day I was told that Mr. Brombacher would be calling me at 10am. I never received a call. I called Brian and was informed he would be would be calling in 10 mins. Long story short I did not receive a call for two hours. Finally Mr. Brombacher called. I told him about my goals and he told that the only way to obtain 600HP was to have the engine crated up and sent to Germany. I do not have a problem with that but when he told me the cost was about $45000.00 I was in shock. I informed him that Brian had quoted me $15000.00. Mr. Brombacher's words were and I quote "Brian is a salesman and does not know what he is talking about." After I completed my conversation with Mr. Bromacher I called Brian again. I told him about what Mr. Brombacher had told me and his words are that Mr. Bromacher was incorrect in his information. So now the owner of the company is giving me incorrect information. I told Brian to get back with me on a price on the Ruf exhaust and accurate information on the pricing on the 600HP package. He said the price of the Ruf exhaust was no more than $3500.00 and would call me the following day. I did not receive a call for three day's and finally after placing three unreturned phone call's I spoke with if I am not mistaken Chip the new manager. I was given a price on the Ruf exhaust of $6600.00 about $3100.00 more than Brian had quoted me three day's earlier. At this point I had pretty much had it with FVD but I made one last request to Brian to get me detailed info on the Cam. To this date I have never received any info. I have spoken to one other boarder who had had very similar experience and I will not mention the name. I will say that I cannot actually comment on the quality of work that FVD does because it never got to that point as well as them having what seemed to have a very knowledgeable Mechanic named Felix.
Lastly let me say that I am glad that I have not rushed to make any decisions on a Tuner. You learn something new everyday and especially from the experiences of others. I hope to decide on what I am gonna do in the next 6 weeks.
<img src="graemlins/wave.gif" border="0" alt="[byebye]" />
Trending Topics
08-06-2002, 04:27 PM
#8
Instructor
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: LI, NY
Posts: 204
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Duane,
AFAIK, what Herr Brombacher quoted you for "over 600 hp kit", i.e. $45,000, is a pretty reasonable price I know that the RS-Tuning Kit 5 (~640 hp) costs about the same and they would only do at their shop. It involves changing many things, not just a cam.
If you want to spend "only" around $15,000 the target 540-560 hp is more realistic, IMHO. I would
love to be proven wrong though
AFAIK, what Herr Brombacher quoted you for "over 600 hp kit", i.e. $45,000, is a pretty reasonable price
I know that the RS-Tuning Kit 5 (~640 hp) costs about the same and they would only do at their shop. It involves changing many things, not just a cam. If you want to spend "only" around $15,000 the target 540-560 hp is more realistic, IMHO. I would
love to be proven wrong though
08-06-2002, 06:14 PM
#9
Racer
Thread Starter
VS
It was not about the price with FVD it was the fact that nobody had thier stories straight. Anyway 600HP can be obtained for a lot less than 45k. Another boarder who will be posting his results soon has 500 RWHP. That consisted of ecu,turbos,fabspeed exhaust,airfilter and headers. That setup ran about 17k installed and tuned by a reputable tuner who I well let the person announce when he is ready. I am sure that RS tuning does an excellent job nut it is my feelings that 600HP can be obtained for a lot less than 45k.
It was not about the price with FVD it was the fact that nobody had thier stories straight. Anyway 600HP can be obtained for a lot less than 45k. Another boarder who will be posting his results soon has 500 RWHP. That consisted of ecu,turbos,fabspeed exhaust,airfilter and headers. That setup ran about 17k installed and tuned by a reputable tuner who I well let the person announce when he is ready. I am sure that RS tuning does an excellent job nut it is my feelings that 600HP can be obtained for a lot less than 45k.
08-06-2002, 10:20 PM
#10
Instructor
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: LI, NY
Posts: 204
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
[quote]It was not about the price with FVD it was the fact that nobody had thier stories straight<hr></blockquote>
Understood. It is pretty funny how salespeople would promise you anything to get your money.
[quote]... it is my feelings that 600HP can be obtained for a lot less than 45k. <hr></blockquote>
Cool
I'd love to be convinced
One issue is how this person uses the car.
"Normal" street driving with occasional bursts of power lasting a few seconds is one, very legitimate I should say, usage. For that, I can see how one can get 600 hp out of this engine without any major modifications. This is fine, just be gentle when it is 110 degrees outside
On the other hand, when you drive on a racetrack you are on the boost all the time, except those short moments you are on brakes For a typical DE event, a session can run for 25 - 30 minutes. For an open track type of event, it can be longer. The load on the engine and tranny is pretty high. I don't want to loose the engine (and possible the whole car) because something fails. That's a pretty tough requirement and I am not sure that even the RS-Tuning Kit 5 meets it fully.
Understood. It is pretty funny how salespeople would promise you anything to get your money.
[quote]... it is my feelings that 600HP can be obtained for a lot less than 45k. <hr></blockquote>
Cool
I'd love to be convinced One issue is how this person uses the car.
"Normal" street driving with occasional bursts of power lasting a few seconds is one, very legitimate I should say, usage. For that, I can see how one can get 600 hp out of this engine without any major modifications. This is fine, just be gentle when it is 110 degrees outside
On the other hand, when you drive on a racetrack you are on the boost all the time, except those short moments you are on brakes
For a typical DE event, a session can run for 25 - 30 minutes. For an open track type of event, it can be longer. The load on the engine and tranny is pretty high. I don't want to loose the engine (and possible the whole car) because something fails. That's a pretty tough requirement and I am not sure that even the RS-Tuning Kit 5 meets it fully.
08-07-2002, 12:55 AM
#11
Racer
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: New York City
Posts: 337
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Duane, I have similar experiences with FVD. I had called them THREE TIMES to get a quote on tuning, as I was seriously considering to send it to them after discussing it with you. You infact informed me of your deal and I then called up someone at FVD. They said they'd fax me the quote on 600HP package as well. I even asked if it really costs $45,000, and he replied," of course not..its approximately 15 to 17k, and we need the car, You'll have a fax in the morning" Well, then next day, No fax, nothing. I called back and he requoted me same package for $23,000. (I'm thinking that's still not bad, and hell, if they have a good rep like he backs up, and the best program, which he states GIAC and Gunther Stole, Hmmm, these guys must be doing something right.) I then requested a fax to confirm pricing.....3 days go by, Nothing... NADA. I then called back 4 days later, and He stated it was $17,000 and appologized for mis quoting. He said he'll fax me the quote. It's now over 2 months, and still no fax.
Blessing in disguise. I sent my car to Scargo Racing with RS Tuning Turbos and RS Tuning programmed ECU, and in concert with Scargo's various mods including headers, splitter, intake, etc.. (Details and pictures posting soon)- The Car now produces 501 RWHP with Less boost than the GIAC ROOCK program on 91 octane. Rob King of SCARGO certainly proved this by 3 consistant dyno results. I then wondered if FVD stood for Fee Varies Daily. I am sure they are successful, but if they had a sales structure, and good feedback protocol with customers, they would be THREE TIMES more successful. They have an informative website, and from what I've heard, great products and great packages for 996 tuning, but I guess I called at the wrong time...business hours?
THEO (GREEK RACER): Renntech tunes Porsches as well, and infact they have addressed certain effective modifications over a year go that some tuners are only discovering now.
Blessing in disguise. I sent my car to Scargo Racing with RS Tuning Turbos and RS Tuning programmed ECU, and in concert with Scargo's various mods including headers, splitter, intake, etc.. (Details and pictures posting soon)- The Car now produces 501 RWHP with Less boost than the GIAC ROOCK program on 91 octane. Rob King of SCARGO certainly proved this by 3 consistant dyno results. I then wondered if FVD stood for Fee Varies Daily. I am sure they are successful, but if they had a sales structure, and good feedback protocol with customers, they would be THREE TIMES more successful. They have an informative website, and from what I've heard, great products and great packages for 996 tuning, but I guess I called at the wrong time...business hours?
THEO (GREEK RACER): Renntech tunes Porsches as well, and infact they have addressed certain effective modifications over a year go that some tuners are only discovering now.
08-07-2002, 06:51 AM
#12
Am I the only person who thinks that 'Greek Racer Theo' is not doing himself or FVD any favours?
The statement "SHANK ........... RENNTECH MAINLY DOES BENZES BRO. " just doesn't come across as professional, at least to someone who lives and works in the UK. Maybe I am struggling with the culture, but I would prefer to deal with someone who doesn't sound like a 'homie' or a 'gangbanger'.
Having said that, FVD has a good name in Europe and have heard nothing bad about them - other than that they occasionally are not sure which suspension kits they are selling - i.e. Bilstein/H&R's or Bilstein/Eibach.
The statement "SHANK ........... RENNTECH MAINLY DOES BENZES BRO. " just doesn't come across as professional, at least to someone who lives and works in the UK. Maybe I am struggling with the culture, but I would prefer to deal with someone who doesn't sound like a 'homie' or a 'gangbanger'.
Having said that, FVD has a good name in Europe and have heard nothing bad about them - other than that they occasionally are not sure which suspension kits they are selling - i.e. Bilstein/H&R's or Bilstein/Eibach.
08-07-2002, 12:09 PM
#14
Instructor
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: LI, NY
Posts: 204
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Shank,
Very interesting news bro
Which exactly RS-Tuning turbos did you go with:
those from Kit 3 (aka hybrid aka GT1 aka K16 hot/K24 cold aka KKK1624) or those from Kit 4/5 (what they call KKK24)? Also which ECU program?
Thanks.
Very interesting news bro
Which exactly RS-Tuning turbos did you go with:
those from Kit 3 (aka hybrid aka GT1 aka K16 hot/K24 cold aka KKK1624) or those from Kit 4/5 (what they call KKK24)? Also which ECU program?
Thanks.
