dark knight

now and then I read some magazine article where a 993 or 997 GT2 is also called "widowmaker" to my best knowledge isn't the 996 GT2 the original car to be called this? the 993 has less power so less dangerous the 997 had electronic nannys, the rightful owner of this term should be the 996 GT2 imho am I wrong?

PCA7GGR

The term Widowmaker was first used for the original '76 930 turbo.

CodeRed

996 2 has no nannies, so qualifies as the last of the true widowmakers

christallon

Sergio s correct. Early turbo started the moniker. Man those cars were wicked...

997rs4.0

The one car that I associate with the widow maker is the 993gt2!

996FLT6

The 930 started it all with that moniker and the street legal version 935 dp slantnose. Mike

993GT

any quick car in the wrong hands is a 'windowmaker', 6GT2 platform is very driveable and a driver's car like any 911.
My dad had a CAN/Euro spec '84 930 that I put lots of 'hard' miles on, you had to drive through weight transfer far more then the modern cars, such as 6GT2, but still if you drove what you saw and felt then you would be fine.
On a fun'er note, let's watch CH slide a 6GT2

Berra

Jeremy Clarkson said that anyone who drives a 911 is either dead or will die...kind of harsh, LOL!!

christallon

Jeremy who????

TempleCloud

I remember going to a trackday at my local circuit, Castle Combe in the UK. It's a great driver's track and very fast. At the time I had a Nissan Skyline GTR R32 that had been modded a bit to produce 450bhp.
I went out with Tiff Needell in a 993 GT2 and it was very hard work for him. He's a great driver but it took all his effort to get the GT2 round quickly and it was very hairy. I timed him and then went out in my GTR. With very little effort I was about 2secs a lap faster with no hairy bits. It wasn't that I'm a great driver but the GTR was just very clever and very safe.
The GT2 was definitely a widowmaker imo
I've now returned to the fold with a 996 (I'm very poor) and do realise it's not all about lap times....

Berra

Sorry but Tiff being slower than a 450 HP R32 GTR when he was driving a 993 GT2? And by TWO seconds a lap? He was probably not even trying!

That made me chuckle

TempleCloud

Perhaps I'm a better driver than you realise

I don't know if he was trying or not but he was certainly having a really hard time with the car. He was sawing at the wheel trying to keep it under control. Perhaps he was showboating to impress me I don't know or perhaps the car had setup issues.

All I can say was that I was 2 secs a lap faster.

spiller

I'm not discounting your story but Tiff Needell has a fairly aggressive driving style and from what I've seen on the TV he enjoys hanging it sideways

JustinPSI

Id be excited to see a redux of the slightly newer cars go head to head:

996 tt vs. R33 GTR..then its at least even on the awd front...weight penalty for the nissan, but bolt-ons could overcome

Then again, im a fan of the underdogs...i love both the 996 and r33, the least favored versions of both cars, lol

993GT

nice 930 video: