cfjan

An article by Chris Harris:

https://grrc.goodwood.com/road/news/...911-gt3-values

Interesting comment about the 996.1..

"here are not many myths surrounding this iconic model which need de-bunking, but the suggestion that the very first 1999 model year car was somehow a bastion of purity lost in later models is completely wrong. I have some insightful quotations from the development team about it which I’ll dig out for a book one day: ‘Didn’t produce enough power, poor brakes, weak gearbox, we had much to improve for 2003′. The list went on. They were and are genuinely baffled that people think it’s more desirable than the second generation 996 GT3, which is ‘Just a much, much better car.’"

runet

For once I think mr. Harris is wrong, and it seems the (euro) market diagrees with him as well....

christallon

^^^^^^^^^^^^
What part do you think he is wrong about? The Gen II being a better car than the Gen I or to climbing values, or to a possible "manual" forthcoming. I'm curious what part of the article you disagree with. Thanks in advance

runet

I don't think technically improved is synonomous with better, which is the arguments mr. Harris uses here. If that was the case no one would enjoy the aircooled cars over the watercooled cars as the latter is without doubt technically better than the old cars.

I have drive both 996.1 ang 996.2 GT3s, and there is no arguing that there are technically improvements done to the later car.
I do understand why the early version is preferred by many.

christallon

Ah OK, Yes "better" is a subjective term, indeed, different strokes for different folks. Thanks for the clarification.

It's hard for me to quantify in those terms as I have only driven the Gen 2, so having driven them both, what is your take on the differences and what is it you like about the Gen 1 car over the Gen 2? Very curious. Cheers

cfjan

I wonder what's the intangibles that separates the 6.1 and 6.2 for those who prefer the 6.1?

I mean, I understand the preference for air cooled vs. water cooled, as fundamentally they are very different. Or trailing arm vs. multi-link suspension, etc. But between 6.1 and 6.2, just seems that they are pretty much the same car.. Larger rotors and calipers don't tend to change the characters of the car (but just better..), higher redline and more power of the same engine, etc.

spiller

I dont think he was giving much of an opinion...he is more or less sitting on the fence in saying that they still are and always will be great cars, yet we may need to wait on a move from porsche to see how values play out in the long term. I see it as calling it like it is rather than an "opinion".

christallon

He stated "the earlier version is preferred by many".... wondered if he was one of the "many", and if so, what his preferences are; G1 over G2. It looks like he may be the owner of a Gen 1 car....

997rs4.0

I've been lucky to own both. The MK1 was in the early 2000s so hard to do a true comparison! And both cars were highly modded for track use! So only the obvious differences with transmission being a weak point on mk1. Little bump up in HP. I was probably a much better driver as well 10-12 years ago! dde1ddde1d

Would need to drive two stock cars back to back for a good comparison!

996FLT6

Mk1-rod type shifter vs cable actuated and throttle cable vs egas.
Would like to drive and compare the two. Would say the throttle response is better in the mk1 due to throttle cable vs egas. Brakes can be updated to 6.2 specs so that's a
moot point. I be curious how the rod type shift linkage feels vs cable.
Mike

edgy

We get both 6.1 & 6.2 here in AU, roughly in the same numbers 90:91 thats CS/Touring & RS.

With the exception of RS... I don't see either Mk1 or Mk2 commanding any more money than the other really. Honest cars are the order of the day and will always sell easy when priced right....

Then there are the owners that are deluded about what their car is worth.

You will get the Mk1 owners that feel the 6.1 is more special due to its lower build # and the fact it was assembled at Weissach... Whilst I get that romantic notion but it does nothing for me. I would like to spend some time in a Mk1 though

It 'might' come in play later in the cars life... I say that from a local market perspective, the UK & Europe seem to have drank that kool aid now already.

It would be a shame to see these cars relegated to garage queens at such a young age due to market value hysteria... drive and enjoy.

mooty

it's all personal taste. 6.1 or 6.2 etc
today i think 991 GT3 is the best and most involving of all GT3/RS. YMMV.

spiller

Is that 91 figure including the 17 RS cars Edgy? I can never remember!


What makes the .1 transmission weaker than the .2 other than the shifting mechanism? As I understand, both cars suffer from snychro issues when flogged hard.

runet

.2 has oil cooler and steel syncros also on the higher gears, .1 has no oil cooler on transmission and steel syncros only on 1st and 2nd gear.
.1 Clubsport came with LWFW from factory.

997rs4.0

Very true. Both has to be babied, especially when cold! I had some syncro issues in 2nd and 3rd gear with my 6.1.