Yellow GT3 at Sloan (no affiliation)
03-18-2011, 10:09 AM
#16
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I totally disagree with you (FFaust) regarding the PCCBs. They are a great a option that enhance the overall driving experience, but the original $8K sticker wasn't for everyone. Now that these cars are used, a buyer may pay more to have them, but only marginally, especially compared to the cost when new.
When they need replacement they are expensive, but can be replaced with steel rotors. To say they are a liability is simply an exaggeration.
When they need replacement they are expensive, but can be replaced with steel rotors. To say they are a liability is simply an exaggeration.
-B
03-18-2011, 03:47 PM
#17
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I like the concept of PCCBs but not the execution. Not sure that I would agree that they are a "no brainer" for any GT3, even current. $8000 is alot of money for what you get. You can reduce the unspring weight the same amount or more with lighter forged wheels and two piece rotors. Plus you will have the street wheels and rotors to keep pristine. Stopping distance with PCCBs is no shorter and fade resistance is no better than stock steel rotors. Some like the initial bite but others have said it hinders heel and toe. So basically if you intend to track the car (and I personally don't see why someone would buy a GT3 if you don't) the ceramics make no sense. I guess if you are keeping the car in a bubble for investment purposes, say in 30 years they "might" make the car more valuable than a steel rotor car. But if you invested $8k for that long you could probably buy the entire car .
03-18-2011, 05:38 PM
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Let me just say that as an educated Porsche purest I insisted on a PCCB car - And I have been thrilled with the result. I see it as a win-win-win for me to date.
As a street driver I like the feel of the reduced weight and the serious look of the gray discs - they do make noise though, but I kinda like that too.
As my track car the positives have been many - with improved chassis handling and their fantastic capabilities being most prominent.
As a PCA concours car having the vehicle equipped with "special" options has been a plus - and the yellow calipers to red contrast has attracted extra points.
I have tracked this car many times at a pace that most admire without having any disc issue. I stay out of the ABS cycle (brakes are for puzzys) and keep the pads fresh. I believe that if any of the previous PCCB users with issues had followed that procedure as well as I have then they would not have had any issue either.
I am not alone. That's just another positive experience for PCCB equipped cars. Ya' better get this yellow Slone car before its gone!
As a street driver I like the feel of the reduced weight and the serious look of the gray discs - they do make noise though, but I kinda like that too.
As my track car the positives have been many - with improved chassis handling and their fantastic capabilities being most prominent.
As a PCA concours car having the vehicle equipped with "special" options has been a plus - and the yellow calipers to red contrast has attracted extra points.
I have tracked this car many times at a pace that most admire without having any disc issue. I stay out of the ABS cycle (brakes are for puzzys) and keep the pads fresh. I believe that if any of the previous PCCB users with issues had followed that procedure as well as I have then they would not have had any issue either.
I am not alone. That's just another positive experience for PCCB equipped cars. Ya' better get this yellow Slone car before its gone!
03-21-2011, 11:41 PM
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Newbie here, so take this FWIW. Last week purchased very similar 2004 GT3 with 7500 one owner miles. CPO, speed yellow, lots of carbon fiber,steel brakes, 121k orig msrp. Car was listed for $61990 and I reluctantly paid the full ticket. Now my local dealer has uncovered issues including 2bent wheels, a tire too old to pass cpo inspection, and shoddy maintenance. Hopefully PCNA will sort out these issues so I can truly enjoy my new toy.
Caveat emptor.
Caveat emptor.
03-21-2011, 11:48 PM
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Newbie here, so take this FWIW. Last week purchased very similar 2004 GT3 with 7500 one owner miles. CPO, speed yellow, lots of carbon fiber,steel brakes, 121k orig msrp. Car was listed for $61990 and I reluctantly paid the full ticket. Now my local dealer has uncovered issues including 2bent wheels, a tire too old to pass cpo inspection, and shoddy maintenance. Hopefully PCNA will sort out these issues so I can truly enjoy my new toy.
Caveat emptor.
Caveat emptor.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-gt2-...-overrevs.html
It's that car that has blown my opinion of dealer CPO'd cars. Now I'm looking for well maintained, documented service history cars...CPO or not.
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03-22-2011, 04:20 PM
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03-22-2011, 04:20 PM
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03-22-2011, 05:15 PM
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Michael, Dell is trying to lower the market, as he is preparing for his return in a couple of years.
I think he might as well surrender now as these cars will only go one way..
I think he might as well surrender now as these cars will only go one way..
03-22-2011, 06:10 PM
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I called on that one too...... 80K seems really high. I just bought the yellow one in the Auto Trader for 56.5K last month. Asking 59K Mint condition, 11K miles, full carbon interior, teqequipment roll cage, racing seat and harnesses. Car only saw two DE's. the owner was a older fellow and didn't enjoy it all that much. GMG worked on the suspension too. PPI showed that the LSD is fried but when I drove it it makes noises when I turn so I'm assuming it's not quite done yet. This car is the best and puts my turbo to shame in the fun department. The only problem is that the yellow seems to attract unwanted law enforcement.
03-22-2011, 08:17 PM
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Fair enough Dan, I should have qualified my comments.
A) When shopping for a used car, you will often find two fairly identical cars with a price delta of anywhere between roughly $4k - $7k, which is evidently attributable to the PCCBs. When I said "the problem with this car...", I was addressing the comments above that stated that this particular Sloan car was too expensive. Bring the price down by $5k if it had steel brakes, and already it sounds better.
B) Concerning PCCBs being a liability, you will see that I said "some would say". I am personally on the fence on this one: They are clean, long-lasting, light, effective... but very dear. Me speccing them on a new car would depend on intended usage, but I don't think that I would *personally* be willing to pay the premium on a used car. But who knows, when you find the perfect car, it's hard to resist. Also, greatest benefit in my mind is un-sprung weight so, maybe.
Don't forget that the gen 1 PCCBs did have documented longevity issues, hence the gen 2.
Now, if you don't believe that *some* find these to be a liability, do a quick search on the topic, or have a look at the current related thread here https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...formation.html This is especially true of the folks who track a lot.
To each their own, but you must admit that PCCBs are not necessarily the end-all.
A) When shopping for a used car, you will often find two fairly identical cars with a price delta of anywhere between roughly $4k - $7k, which is evidently attributable to the PCCBs. When I said "the problem with this car...", I was addressing the comments above that stated that this particular Sloan car was too expensive. Bring the price down by $5k if it had steel brakes, and already it sounds better.
B) Concerning PCCBs being a liability, you will see that I said "some would say". I am personally on the fence on this one: They are clean, long-lasting, light, effective... but very dear. Me speccing them on a new car would depend on intended usage, but I don't think that I would *personally* be willing to pay the premium on a used car. But who knows, when you find the perfect car, it's hard to resist. Also, greatest benefit in my mind is un-sprung weight so, maybe.
Don't forget that the gen 1 PCCBs did have documented longevity issues, hence the gen 2.
Now, if you don't believe that *some* find these to be a liability, do a quick search on the topic, or have a look at the current related thread here https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...formation.html This is especially true of the folks who track a lot.
To each their own, but you must admit that PCCBs are not necessarily the end-all.
Ask Bob Rouleau what his experience was with Gen 1 PCCB brakes.... and what value they bring to the table on a used car...
...another saying attributed to PT Barnum "There's a sucker born every minute!"
03-22-2011, 11:53 PM
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I called on that one too...... 80K seems really high. I just bought the yellow one in the Auto Trader for 56.5K last month. Asking 59K Mint condition, 11K miles, full carbon interior, teqequipment roll cage, racing seat and harnesses. Car only saw two DE's. the owner was a older fellow and didn't enjoy it all that much. GMG worked on the suspension too. PPI showed that the LSD is fried but when I drove it it makes noises when I turn so I'm assuming it's not quite done yet. This car is the best and puts my turbo to shame in the fun department. The only problem is that the yellow seems to attract unwanted law enforcement.
Love yellow.In the last year, many things in my life seem to point to Ottawa: My car is there now (see my avatar); some family members are from there; Calabogie, Primo, PCA RSR, so maybe I could go and work for some embassy
