Should I buy a Cup?
10-22-2010, 02:03 AM
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10-22-2010, 12:03 PM
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My race car is a converted 2007 GT3 with completely stock engine (other than exhaust & LWFW) and stock gearing (other than Guard LSD). The engine has 2 complete seasons on it and still running very strong. Here's a video from last weekend at Miller chasing a 996 cup. The cup is geared to hit 8100 in 6th at the end of the straight. I'm just into 5th at the end of the straight; you can hear the vastly different shift points...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roOVVoPw2Tc
This ends in a spin (oops); we were still chasing setup after some major suspension changes and the back end just wasn't right. The next day after a few tweaks and NOT fumbling the shift at the start I run away from 6 cup....
The 7GT3 is definitely NOT street legal...just about exactly 3k lbs with driver and fuel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roOVVoPw2Tc
This ends in a spin (oops); we were still chasing setup after some major suspension changes and the back end just wasn't right. The next day after a few tweaks and NOT fumbling the shift at the start I run away from 6 cup....
The 7GT3 is definitely NOT street legal...just about exactly 3k lbs with driver and fuel
10-22-2010, 01:32 PM
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10-23-2010, 12:43 AM
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Maybe keep the gT3 and buy a cup. Drive the GT3 to remind yourself what it was like before cup ownership.
I have been down this road. I was trying to decide what suspension mods I needed to do to my 996 GT3 when the "Red Cup" was dangled in front of my drooling face. I decided to sell my 996 GT3, and
my RUF RGT, to buy the "Red Cup".
The cup on the track is pure addiction. I have not had it on SM much since I have purchased it but there is no comparision to how much faster it can get around the track.
What having a cup has done, is made me feel as if my RS is slow and moves around to much on the track as compared to what the cup can do. The cup has made me realize that even though I thought that I was getting around the track quickly with my 996 GT3, a purpose built race car can (pun intended) run circles around a road car.
Sure there are times I wish I could just go and drive without towing or having support to run the cup, but the reality is, I will drive less if I have to, to be able to enjoy the times I get to drive the cup car.
At least at SM there are others of us that have cups and we can run together. I am planning on hitting some Thursdays and Fridays at SM to get some good practice time in.
Doug ar switchcars would probably let you try a cup out to see what you think. He would help you sell yours. Kent will give you the skinny on operating costs. I would have welcomed another cup to run with at Miller in September.
I have been down this road. I was trying to decide what suspension mods I needed to do to my 996 GT3 when the "Red Cup" was dangled in front of my drooling face. I decided to sell my 996 GT3, and
my RUF RGT, to buy the "Red Cup".
The cup on the track is pure addiction. I have not had it on SM much since I have purchased it but there is no comparision to how much faster it can get around the track.
What having a cup has done, is made me feel as if my RS is slow and moves around to much on the track as compared to what the cup can do. The cup has made me realize that even though I thought that I was getting around the track quickly with my 996 GT3, a purpose built race car can (pun intended) run circles around a road car.
Sure there are times I wish I could just go and drive without towing or having support to run the cup, but the reality is, I will drive less if I have to, to be able to enjoy the times I get to drive the cup car.
At least at SM there are others of us that have cups and we can run together. I am planning on hitting some Thursdays and Fridays at SM to get some good practice time in.
Doug ar switchcars would probably let you try a cup out to see what you think. He would help you sell yours. Kent will give you the skinny on operating costs. I would have welcomed another cup to run with at Miller in September.
10-23-2010, 10:15 AM
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I went through the same thought process as Tim shortly after we were rotating around Miller nose to tail in our 6GT3's. My 6GT3 was only used for track days anyway and I thought it best to go with the complete safety gear in a cup car even if I was only going to use it as a DE car. I searched for a 996 cup and was just about to buy one (sorry Doug) when the 997 came on the market and I made the leap.
The 997 GT3 is 14 seconds a lap faster around Miller full course than the 6GT3!
The downsides of course are transportation...it needs a trailer; and considerably more maintenance and setup. Now I started racing which punts the maintenance costs through the roof but as a track day car those costs would be considerably less. I can buy scrubs for $75 ea and they last 6 to 8 heat cycles or more or I could have set the car up to run on R6's.
I am still very reluctant to make the jump to a 997 cup with the sequential shifter and no ABS. I really enjoy rowing a manual and there are some fantastic 996 cups on the market right now. After a year with this car I am very happy that I made the leap to a "cup" and would recommend a 996 cup for your purpose. I added up the receipts that I got with my car and the original owner put over $80k into the car! It's an expensive way to build a race car!
I originally planned to take the car to SM for the winter but it's now looking like Feb or March before I can get it there. It's getting a thorough going over with new bearings/hoses/windshield etc. and the gearbox is going out for a preventative rebuild and perhaps some gear changes to get ready for next year.
The 997 GT3 is 14 seconds a lap faster around Miller full course than the 6GT3!
The downsides of course are transportation...it needs a trailer; and considerably more maintenance and setup. Now I started racing which punts the maintenance costs through the roof but as a track day car those costs would be considerably less. I can buy scrubs for $75 ea and they last 6 to 8 heat cycles or more or I could have set the car up to run on R6's.
I am still very reluctant to make the jump to a 997 cup with the sequential shifter and no ABS. I really enjoy rowing a manual and there are some fantastic 996 cups on the market right now. After a year with this car I am very happy that I made the leap to a "cup" and would recommend a 996 cup for your purpose. I added up the receipts that I got with my car and the original owner put over $80k into the car! It's an expensive way to build a race car!
I originally planned to take the car to SM for the winter but it's now looking like Feb or March before I can get it there. It's getting a thorough going over with new bearings/hoses/windshield etc. and the gearbox is going out for a preventative rebuild and perhaps some gear changes to get ready for next year.
10-23-2010, 11:37 AM
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I need to try a 6-cup, I'm sure after that it will be all she wrote. I may wait till 7-cups become reasonable and get one of those. decisions decisions
10-23-2010, 01:45 PM
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3150 with full tank and me
10-23-2010, 04:05 PM
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I think I remember talking with Mooty it runs 2k/hr so if 15hrs- ugh(even if 1k/hr- ugh again). Don't know service interval for sequential but 15 hrs looks rt. Mike