996 vs 997.1 or .2 GT3 track car
06-02-2010, 11:42 PM
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Actually the RS owner runs with it off and never has run with it on.
I think the rear cooling and brake bias is the main reason for the wear.
Also believe me I didn't take it out of context. He went on for a half hour bashing his car. "Dancing under braking", "doesn't pull on the 6 down the back straight" (Mosport) "Heavy", "to much sound proofing" Knocking on the roofs of both hear that tinny sound on the 996 roof. Hear that solid sound on the 997. Complaining it was slower on his local track then his 6 (Mt Tremblant). He did mention that running Hoosiers was an improvement though his 6 runs MS cups. Suspension adjustments came only 1 click from max, complained of sever under steer and setting not being able to do anything about it.
He pointed out his dentist had one, the doctor up his street had one. Complaining that Porsche advertising it as the ultimate track car was pure garbage.
Anyways he's definitely a pissed off Porsche customer.
I think the rear cooling and brake bias is the main reason for the wear.
Also believe me I didn't take it out of context. He went on for a half hour bashing his car. "Dancing under braking", "doesn't pull on the 6 down the back straight" (Mosport) "Heavy", "to much sound proofing" Knocking on the roofs of both hear that tinny sound on the 996 roof. Hear that solid sound on the 997. Complaining it was slower on his local track then his 6 (Mt Tremblant). He did mention that running Hoosiers was an improvement though his 6 runs MS cups. Suspension adjustments came only 1 click from max, complained of sever under steer and setting not being able to do anything about it.
He pointed out his dentist had one, the doctor up his street had one. Complaining that Porsche advertising it as the ultimate track car was pure garbage.
Anyways he's definitely a pissed off Porsche customer.
It’s not the cooling and bias.
1. even if you add cooling ducts to the back, the rear still wears faster than front
2. 7 has more rear bias than 6, if it’s all due to bias, then 6 would wear rear as fast as 7. The cooling on 6 is even worse
I don’t know about not pulling on the 6. If you exit at the same speed, every 7 I know pulls on every 6 I know, all else equal. I find dancing under braking for 7 is strange. 7 is MUCH MUCH MUCH more stable then 6.
Yes, it’s heavier than 6 and way too much sound insulation. You don’t FEEL the speed. I drove straight off my home track’s front straight b/c I didn’t think I was fast enough yet, no need to brake, until I am on the dirt going straight.
The track you mentioned, mt. tremblant is home to bob roleau, who has driven 6 and 7 extensively. He can probably shed some light on the difference b/n 6 and 7 on Mosport (very fast) and mt tremblant.
The 7 does push more than 6, thus more stable. But it can be dialed out. You don’t really need GT2 rear bar to dial it out either.
where is bob r. when you need him?
06-02-2010, 11:46 PM
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Speaking of the 2010 lotus 240 or 260. Top speed is 240 kph (150mph), at my track I am hitting almost 230 kph which in reality is really slow compared to GT3's or 996 TT's
How much fun would that be hanging at red line top speed assuming it can hit top speed.
I'd have to switch regions to even track it with our regions DE events.
Oh and they charge us 20k more for the same car here in Canada.
How much fun would that be hanging at red line top speed assuming it can hit top speed.
I'd have to switch regions to even track it with our regions DE events.
Oh and they charge us 20k more for the same car here in Canada.
if you want the "feel" of a race car, i assure you the lotus 240 260 are superb. they will outbrake GT3's and most likely out corner GT3's.
to use more extreme example as illustration. lotus is a heavy radical 1300. the rad has even less hp than lotus. they eat up GT2 and 3 alive day in day out. when i brake at T1 at the famed LS, they are upshifting 2 gears before braking.
06-03-2010, 01:11 AM
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I respect Mooty's opinion because he is a true track junkie. He's done 35-40 trackdays a year in the 6, 25-30 a year in 7(rs and regular combined). He's has run the lotus many times and bsr(boxster spec) as well.I know for a fact the 7.1 is definitely faster( I ran against his 7.1 and .1 rs) then my 6 since we do have similar laptimes when he was running the 6 though- he ace it in spades in consistency lap after lap with the amount of trackdays he's done. I value his opinion at all times- but hell I'm going to win someday : ). Mike
06-03-2010, 09:45 AM
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I respect Mooty's opinion because he is a true track junkie. He's done 35-40 trackdays a year in the 6, 25-30 a year in 7(rs and regular combined). He's has run the lotus many times and bsr(boxster spec) as well.I know for a fact the 7.1 is definitely faster( I ran against his 7.1 and .1 rs) then my 6 since we do have similar laptimes when he was running the 6 though- he ace it in spades in consistency lap after lap with the amount of trackdays he's done. I value his opinion at all times- but hell I'm going to win someday : ). Mike
06-03-2010, 09:58 AM
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if you want to win your DE, then GT3 GT2 would be better fun.
if you want the "feel" of a race car, i assure you the lotus 240 260 are superb. they will outbrake GT3's and most likely out corner GT3's.
to use more extreme example as illustration. lotus is a heavy radical 1300. the rad has even less hp than lotus. they eat up GT2 and 3 alive day in day out. when i brake at T1 at the famed LS, they are upshifting 2 gears before braking.
if you want the "feel" of a race car, i assure you the lotus 240 260 are superb. they will outbrake GT3's and most likely out corner GT3's.
to use more extreme example as illustration. lotus is a heavy radical 1300. the rad has even less hp than lotus. they eat up GT2 and 3 alive day in day out. when i brake at T1 at the famed LS, they are upshifting 2 gears before braking.
06-03-2010, 10:00 AM
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Then I need a truck and trailer and space to keep them. Someday when I am semi retired but can't do that now.
06-03-2010, 10:01 AM
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I had a lotus for a few years and liked it but I don't think its fair to say its better. Given a choice I'd always take the GT3 - I find it much more interesting to drive and far more demanding. The downside is the running cost.
06-03-2010, 10:45 PM
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06-04-2010, 12:01 PM
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Video this week at Oulton Park... mixing it up with the 997 GT2, 997 GT3RS (Gen 2) and 996 RS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8njHjdWTiEc
IMHO... I think they have made the new 997 GT series cars a lot more user friendly for Track/Street (more compliant) and it doesn't feel anywhere near a raw a drive as the 996 GT cars (especially RS)... if only the 996 GT3RS had an extra 40/50 brake it would be untouchable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8njHjdWTiEc
IMHO... I think they have made the new 997 GT series cars a lot more user friendly for Track/Street (more compliant) and it doesn't feel anywhere near a raw a drive as the 996 GT cars (especially RS)... if only the 996 GT3RS had an extra 40/50 brake it would be untouchable.
06-04-2010, 12:30 PM
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