multi21

I'm going to try the Pagid Orange pads for the front axle and leaving the Pagid blacks on the rear. I've tried the Yellows and Blacks on the front. What can I expect with the Orange?

GrantG

Yellows last much longer and resist heat much better. Not sure Oranges will really stand up to the abuse you can dish out with a fast car like the GT3 (on the front axle).

Here's some descriptions of the formulas:

*FRICTION attributes*

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RS 4-2-1 – BLACK Friction Level Cold 0.36
At 100°C 0.38
At 300°C 0.42
Max 0.45 @ 500°C
Constant working temperature 300 - 500°C
Max temperature for short period only 550°C

A very stable material with low disc wear. It has a wide operating range with good low temperature performance and low brake noise. Fitted as original equipment on many high performance road vehicles, this is the best all round pad for road use.

RS 4-2 – BLUE Friction Level Cold 0.40
At 100°C 0.42
At 300°C 0.43
Max 0.46 @ 550°C
Constant working temperature 350 - 600°C
Max temperature for short period only 650°C

The most popular material, (known as 'Pagid Blue'), RS4-2 gives a good low temperature response. It is very stable, with superior modulation and feel. RS4-2 has a medium co-efficient of friction with good pad and disc life. Suitable for many applications especially gravel rally and wet tarmac, where control is needed.


RS 4-4 – ORANGE Friction Level Cold 0.39
At 100°C 0.40
At 300°C 0.43
Max 0.49 @ 600°C
Constant working temperature 350 - 650°C
Max temperature for short period only 700°C

This material has a slightly higher friction level especially at high temperature. It is better for high temperature applications than RS4-2 and has a very stable torque pattern. Suitable for rear axle use on Touring Car applications and very popular in Porsche racing.


RS 14 – BLACK Friction Level Cold 0.44
At 100°C 0.47
At 300°C 0.49
Max 0.54 @ 600°C
Constant working temperature 400 - 700°C
Max temperature for short period only 800°C

A high friction, high temperature material with enviable pad life at this level of friction. Very kind to discs, easily modulated, and resistant to wheel lock in extreme use. Suitable for Touring Car, WRC, GT and other forms of medium weight single seater race cars that have good levels of grip.


RS 15 – GRAY Friction Level Cold 0.50
At 100°C 0.54
At 300°C 0.57
Max 0.62 @ 600°C
Constant working temperature 400 - 800°C
Max temperature for short period only 900°C

Pagid's newest material, a development of RS-14 which combines a 20% higher friction level with an improved initial bite. RS-15 has very good life and exceptional release characteristics. It is also very easily bedded in comparison to its competitors. Suitable for Touring car, GT and other applications requiring very high levels of friction and high temperature stability.


RS 19 – YELLOW Friction Level Cold 0.40
At 100°C 0.43
At 300°C 0.47
Max 0.49 @ 550°C
Constant working temperature 400 - 700°C
Max temperature for short period only 750°C

This material provides very good performance at all temperatures with immediate brake response. Very stable pad on ceramic base, with excellent fade resistance and low disc wear. Suitable for endurance racing, or applications where exceptional life is required

Here is a chart showing relative friction levels:

mooty

less bit than yellow.
wont last as long
i htinkn you will end up with too much rear bias.

Yargk

Yellow and black have good balance on a 996.2 3, right?

va122

Pete the 4-4 is stock on the cups.

930man

ummm iwould not do it!!!!

you can expect one weekend

old school pads

930man

yellow front black back on 996 gt3

or performance friction are great to 01s

mooty

most ppl would say yes.
but i like yellow or black all around. i tihnk i enjoy the nose dive when i brake. i am serious.

i did yellow front and black rear, i can't control the car.

but on BSR, orange front/black rear, blk/blk, or orange/orange were all fine (pagid makes no yellow for BSR yet)

mooty

no way, i would have killed the pad in 2 laps at LS.

va122

Maybe I was sent the wrong ones, but on the box it said GT3 Cup 4-4

Once you go PFC you will never turn back.

Patrick E

I liked the bite of the PFCs on my old car, but I had problems with them transmitting heat to the calipers. I went back to Pagids and the problem went away. This was several years ago, so I don't have experience with new PFC compounds.

LVDell

If you must run pagid then run either 19's all around or 19F and 14R for better brake bias. However, you will NOT get any better than the PFC 01 or 06 pads. The 06 wears like the 97 (much nicer on rotors) but has just more bite and similar torque characteristics of the 06. When I got on the binders it was like the hand of God stopping my car. I could NOT brake as deep with the pagid even when I ran the 14's front and rear.

Camber

What else can you expect from orange pads? Residue on the rotors and lots of brake vibration until you clean the rotors with yellows. I'm with the others: yellow front, black rear.

TrackDays247.com

Oranges belong on an AX car - expect 1/2 the life of Yellows

Run Yellows F&R unless you *want* more rear bias (996 GT3 cars / owners who see track use usually prefer more rear bias)

Good reason why most ALMS, Daytona, LeMans teams run Yellows - long lasting, not too harsh on the round things.

multi21

Okay, you guys talked me out of the Orange.

I just got out from undeneath my car and it looks like the Blacks on the front axle are good to go with enough pad life for a few track days.

This is the first time I'll be running blacks on all 4 corners. In the past I've run Yellows all around.

....And don't try to talk me out of it.