Anti-Sub Strap Mount
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yeah Curt, no flames intended...just very passionate about track safety (yours and mine too)...there are larger seats (like the EVO2+) and lower seat mounts to fit someone of your size more comfortably...give CDOC a call they probably have a seat/mount/sub combo that will work for you...they also carry a selection of roll bars...good luck
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Also Curt if your going aftermarket seat does harness truss allow enough seat clearance ie sliding seat back? If u plan on a cage the techquip bar doesn't work for u. DASport bar does but I'm not even sure for your length unless your legs are just 2 feet long : ) but DASPORT will give maybe 3-4 inches more rearward compared to techbar. Hope that helps ya. Mike
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Another reason a roll bar should be used in conjunction with 5 or 6 point belts is that such belts are designed to keep you upright in your RACE seat whereas factory installed three point belts are designed to collapse with the standard factory installed seat in the event of the collapsed roof.
It certainly becomes a chain reaction slippery slope when either seats, aftermarket belts or a roll bar is installed. If one installs 5 or 6 point belts, you then need rollover protecion, then race seats to properly route the shoulder and anti-sub straps.
It certainly becomes a chain reaction slippery slope when either seats, aftermarket belts or a roll bar is installed. If one installs 5 or 6 point belts, you then need rollover protecion, then race seats to properly route the shoulder and anti-sub straps.
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It's beggining to look like drivers after a harness option, but not wanting to lose the 'other use' of the car i.e daily driving and 2 rear seats...smply haven't got a chance of achieving this!
I had started to think the easily removable BK harness bar with guides, sports seats and 4 point harness with clips seemed like a plan - but the above casts some serious doubts over this.
Are there any options left with ASM (will I get flamed for adding "incorporating a reclining seat?)
I had started to think the easily removable BK harness bar with guides, sports seats and 4 point harness with clips seemed like a plan - but the above casts some serious doubts over this.
Are there any options left with ASM (will I get flamed for adding "incorporating a reclining seat?)
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The flames are unwarranted including the Mooty's igniting flame suggesting I had a death wish.
A few of us big guys - I'm 6'6" and 300 lbs - are so long in the seat that the substrap mounts are akin to wearing a wrap around thong. The GT3 Euro seat (fixed back) simply isn't made for guys our size.
Anyway, appreciate all the opinions.
-Curt
A few of us big guys - I'm 6'6" and 300 lbs - are so long in the seat that the substrap mounts are akin to wearing a wrap around thong. The GT3 Euro seat (fixed back) simply isn't made for guys our size.
Anyway, appreciate all the opinions.
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You're heading down the same slippery all or nothing GT3 slope.
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I assume you want to get the harnesses into the GT3 to hold you in the seat and improve safety.
You need to dump the stock seats and find a race bucket that fits you well with proper shoulder strap and anti-sub strap holes. One thing to keep in mind is that it's nice to have the seat sliders... it helps getting into and out of the car especially in tight spaces like a trailer with no side door.
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If you do a race bucket, you'll need rollover protection. A simple tequipment bar or a full custom cage? Now you're starting to get into the "is it safe to street it anymore?" arena.
Do race buckets and a bar and you lose access to the rear 'seat' area... which is useless anyway!
Do the whole enchilada. I'm sure you can find someone in the Lone Star Region with a race bucket that will fit you.
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you can do 6 points and the stock seats. they are just routed formula car style (routed though the back instead of a sub mount hole). supposedly does a better job at retaining the hips.
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Go to a local rep shop in the area. Safety is trhe least place to cut corners. Real seat, roll over protection, Head and neck protection. If you go with the Euro seats they can be switched in 30 minutes.
The stock seat has a lot of padding that will compress under a shock load. Even at 7/10s something can happen. The car ahead of you can lose a motor put oil on the surface and off you go. THe seat is also a performance upgrade in that it holds you still in the corners.
The stock seat has a lot of padding that will compress under a shock load. Even at 7/10s something can happen. The car ahead of you can lose a motor put oil on the surface and off you go. THe seat is also a performance upgrade in that it holds you still in the corners.
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Sorry Carlos, but that is just about the most unsafe thing to do with a anti-sub belt.
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What you propose is crazy.
Here's what to do.
GT3 seats don't fit me either. I'm 6'5" in the 260 range.
I had a pair of OMP Big seats installed along with a DAS Sport bar w/Schorth ProfiII harnesses. Driver's bolted directly to the floor as far back and as low as it would go. Passenger seat is on a Sparco slider. Seat brackets bolted to an aluminum plate which is then bolted to the floor.
The seats barely fit but they do fit.
Here's what to do.
GT3 seats don't fit me either. I'm 6'5" in the 260 range.
I had a pair of OMP Big seats installed along with a DAS Sport bar w/Schorth ProfiII harnesses. Driver's bolted directly to the floor as far back and as low as it would go. Passenger seat is on a Sparco slider. Seat brackets bolted to an aluminum plate which is then bolted to the floor.
The seats barely fit but they do fit.
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911Eddy: Check with the organizers of your events. In Seattle they PCA will not let you on the track with 4 point. They also 5/6 point must be used with a proper seat with guide holes in the back and seat for the sub. Also, the harness bar helps only it your tires stay on the ground. If you roll, the bar with harness will keep you upright and nothing to keep the roof away.
ChrisM. The car looks great! Is your bar painted or powder coat?
ChrisM. The car looks great! Is your bar painted or powder coat?
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Curt, Call Speedware in Redmond, WA. They can fabricate most anything and supply more seat than anyone I know. You are safer with stock seat and the 3 point. There is an ex pro football linebacker driving in the Grand AM. You can get a seat.
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This is the transcript from an online seminar he did on JustRacing.com: http://www.justracing.com/seminar_ar...wtopic.php?t=5.
I do agree fully with NOT running the anti-sub belt over the front of the seat. The anti-sub belt helps locate the lap belt on your pelvic bone. In a big frontal hit, the belts will stretch, the sub goes slack and you are now wearing a 4pt that was designed to be a 5pt.
There has been A LOT of discussion about this type of thing over on the DE/Racing board. I suggest you search there.
Personally, I will not use a harness in a student's car that is not used with a proper (i.e. harness holes) seat.
I also suggest reading this: http://www.hmsmotorsport.com/docs/Co...structions.pdf, even if you don't have Schroth harnesses. There is a lot of good information in there.
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What you propose is crazy.
Here's what to do.
GT3 seats don't fit me either. I'm 6'5" in the 260 range.
I had a pair of OMP Big seats installed along with a DAS Sport bar w/Schorth ProfiII harnesses. Driver's bolted directly to the floor as far back and as low as it would go. Passenger seat is on a Sparco slider. Seat brackets bolted to an aluminum plate which is then bolted to the floor.
The seats barely fit but they do fit.
Here's what to do.
GT3 seats don't fit me either. I'm 6'5" in the 260 range.
I had a pair of OMP Big seats installed along with a DAS Sport bar w/Schorth ProfiII harnesses. Driver's bolted directly to the floor as far back and as low as it would go. Passenger seat is on a Sparco slider. Seat brackets bolted to an aluminum plate which is then bolted to the floor.
The seats barely fit but they do fit.
Do you wear a HANS? Those look like the 2" HANS specific shoulder belts?