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datax, what you describe sounds strange for a gt3.
for dec radius turns, i would lift a tiny bit to turn in and then screeze the throttle, when the rear comes loose i would apply more throttle slowly and unwind more.
it sounds you dont have much rear toe if you have have the prob you described, and that has been some issues for GT3's. some apparently cannot hold rear toe for more than 5 seconds, ask NJGT. my has never had that issue and is tracked extensive. so keep checking. and it is NOT easy to align these cars. most of the cars i drove, where out of whack, when the owners told me there were align correctly by hunter machines. i would do strings. hunter machine has too much tolearance.
i tracked a E36m3, full true coil over conversion with even better shox than ground control's top stuff. it is stable, but not as stable as stock GT3 under power.
that said, 911 is a funny car and drives like nothing else. moving from M3 to GT3 for just 2 months is a short time. give it 2 years, you will love GT3, really. but it is true that some bimmer drivers never fall in love with 911's. nothing wrong with that.
Margin of error that the car allow to the driver for going fast is so big, while GT3 is opposite.
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it's very very hard to screw up driving a well set up E36m3. you had to work very very hard to get it out of shape. there is NO MARGIN for error in GT3, it's much faster than m3 and has a much more playful ***.
for dec radius turns, i would lift a tiny bit to turn in and then screeze the throttle, when the rear comes loose i would apply more throttle slowly and unwind more.
it sounds you dont have much rear toe if you have have the prob you described, and that has been some issues for GT3's. some apparently cannot hold rear toe for more than 5 seconds, ask NJGT. my has never had that issue and is tracked extensive. so keep checking. and it is NOT easy to align these cars. most of the cars i drove, where out of whack, when the owners told me there were align correctly by hunter machines. i would do strings. hunter machine has too much tolearance.
i tracked a E36m3, full true coil over conversion with even better shox than ground control's top stuff. it is stable, but not as stable as stock GT3 under power.
that said, 911 is a funny car and drives like nothing else. moving from M3 to GT3 for just 2 months is a short time. give it 2 years, you will love GT3, really. but it is true that some bimmer drivers never fall in love with 911's. nothing wrong with that.
Margin of error that the car allow to the driver for going fast is so big, while GT3 is opposite.
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it's very very hard to screw up driving a well set up E36m3. you had to work very very hard to get it out of shape. there is NO MARGIN for error in GT3, it's much faster than m3 and has a much more playful ***.
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Originally Posted by datax
Thanks, B. I'm glad I'm getting some attention here.
I really love to be able to drive this car fast and be able to squeeze as much performance as possible from basically a stock car. Trying so hard to get things right these days. But, with coolent hose issues and busy work schedules makes me pretty tough to do what I want.
As for the car, I'm pretty sure it's align, right. After my spin, I recheck everything again and make sure things are in good shape. But, still rear end is wants to go wild if you back on the gas soon enough when exiting corners especially on decreasing radius turns as well as on the exits of high speed curves. Guess I'm not doing it right. Also, I do not have a front splitter. Hope that doesn't contribute much to my experience. With my M3, I can go pretty fast. Becasue car is so easy to drive that I can learn the track so much faster too. Margin of error that the car allow to the driver for going fast is so big, while GT3 is opposite. That's what I found out at this point. At the same time, I've been driving M3s on the track for 3 years and GT3 for 2 months only. So, guess I have to wait and see how I coupe with the porsche later. May be I'm just afraid that I'll be one of those who can never be a porsche driver?
J/k.
Anyway, thanks for posting the tips, guys. Very cool indeed.
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As for the car, I'm pretty sure it's align, right. After my spin, I recheck everything again and make sure things are in good shape. But, still rear end is wants to go wild if you back on the gas soon enough when exiting corners especially on decreasing radius turns as well as on the exits of high speed curves. Guess I'm not doing it right. Also, I do not have a front splitter. Hope that doesn't contribute much to my experience. With my M3, I can go pretty fast. Becasue car is so easy to drive that I can learn the track so much faster too. Margin of error that the car allow to the driver for going fast is so big, while GT3 is opposite. That's what I found out at this point. At the same time, I've been driving M3s on the track for 3 years and GT3 for 2 months only. So, guess I have to wait and see how I coupe with the porsche later. May be I'm just afraid that I'll be one of those who can never be a porsche driver?
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Anyway, thanks for posting the tips, guys. Very cool indeed.
And contrary to popular beleif, if you are throttle steering, you arent going fast, you are just compensating for bad suspension, tires, driving or spots on track your car doesnt respond well to, etc. If you stay on line and apply throttle at the right time you will not be sliding around.
Try late apexing, this eliminates oversteer. Slow in, late apex, on the gas hard.
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Throttle steering is kinda fun though if cars around u. It aint fast if open track but sometimes needed if cars are around to keep the optimum trq BAND. mIKE
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Throttle steering:
Changing the rate of the car's rotation by adjusting throttle input. Less gas more rotation, more gas less rotation.
Heavy use of throttle steering is bad. But balancing the car on throttle with small adjustments is often beneficial.
Changing the rate of the car's rotation by adjusting throttle input. Less gas more rotation, more gas less rotation.
Heavy use of throttle steering is bad. But balancing the car on throttle with small adjustments is often beneficial.
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Throttle Steering -
changing the weight distribution of the car with SUBTLE changes of power; ease off to transfer weight to the front wheels; add power to shift the weight ot the rear. As Andrei states above you can adjust the line the car takes with SUBTLE changes in power. In a 911 when the back end feels loose, the solution is usually to add power to transfer the weight to the rear wheels and stabilize the car. If the car understeers, a slight reduction in power will transfer weight to the front wheels which will make the car turn-in.
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changing the weight distribution of the car with SUBTLE changes of power; ease off to transfer weight to the front wheels; add power to shift the weight ot the rear. As Andrei states above you can adjust the line the car takes with SUBTLE changes in power. In a 911 when the back end feels loose, the solution is usually to add power to transfer the weight to the rear wheels and stabilize the car. If the car understeers, a slight reduction in power will transfer weight to the front wheels which will make the car turn-in.
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Originally Posted by wanna911
Try late apexing, this eliminates oversteer. Slow in, late apex, on the gas hard.
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Originally Posted by Bob Rouleau
In a 911 when the back end feels loose, the solution is usually to add power to transfer the weight to the rear wheels and stabilize the car.
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Originally Posted by Larry Herman
Hey Bob, how do you add power when it's already on the floor? That's when you hang on for dear life! ![hiha](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/roflmao.gif)
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Originally Posted by Holger B
Duh...little red button on the steering wheel.
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datax, your car sounds very scary and something is wrong with it. sounds like you can't apply any significant power until very late??? i presume you have opened your wheel already?
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Originally Posted by amaist
Throttle steering:
Changing the rate of the car's rotation by adjusting throttle input. Less gas more rotation, more gas less rotation.
Heavy use of throttle steering is bad. But balancing the car on throttle with small adjustments is often beneficial.
Changing the rate of the car's rotation by adjusting throttle input. Less gas more rotation, more gas less rotation.
Heavy use of throttle steering is bad. But balancing the car on throttle with small adjustments is often beneficial.
But on the other hand throttle steering isnt all that great for 911's unless your suspension is DEFINITELY set up properly because of the lift oversteer even with minor lift's during turns. I'd take my chances with slow application of throttle on track out before trying "too much" throttle steering.
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Lift over steer only haapens if u fully lift. Throttle steering for most part is still keeping on the gas but oh so litely lifting/pressing gas pedal to rotate the car. Mike
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Originally Posted by 996FLT6
Lift over steer only haapens if u fully lift. ..r. Mike