View Poll Results: I want my GT2/GT3 engine in:
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2
1.29%
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51
32.90%
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99
63.87%
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3
1.94%
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If mid engine were a possibility in GT2/GT3
11-01-2006, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Cupcar
...Did anyone read I think in EVO magazine where they tested a Cayman around SPA Francorchamps and it smoked on the long sweepers and Porsche said the engine may have been overfilled with oil? I think it was a failure of the "integrated dry sump" to keep up with the lateral G. ---.
11-01-2006, 08:49 AM
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911 is the Venice of cars... a terrible idea, brilliantly executed.
A GT3 Cayman or whatever would be awesome and in principle I'm all for mid engine cars since it's better but as long as we're talking about 911s, the engine needs to be in back.
A GT3 Cayman or whatever would be awesome and in principle I'm all for mid engine cars since it's better but as long as we're talking about 911s, the engine needs to be in back.
11-01-2006, 11:59 AM
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I find this question amusing. Position of the engine is just one factor in determining handling chracteristics. In theory, mid should be better but it depends on weight distribution of other eliments of the car. I have driven mid engined cars that are imposible once the limit is reached while I have also driven front engined cars that are truly wonderful.
So, for me, I will not assume to tell a designer where to put his engine but to let hiom tell me where he would most like it to be. I will then judge his product and decide if I want it.
So, for me, I will not assume to tell a designer where to put his engine but to let hiom tell me where he would most like it to be. I will then judge his product and decide if I want it.
11-01-2006, 12:05 PM
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The 911s may be beating the F430's some, but usually the F430 is much faster. The advantage the 911's have is that they are sorted out, the F430 is new. In ALMS the biggest competitor to the Risi Comtezione team this year was themselves. They kept switching co-drivers to Mika Salo and the co-drivers kept wrecking the cars!
11-01-2006, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jmorris3
The 911s may be beating the F430's some, but usually the F430 is much faster. The advantage the 911's have is that they are sorted out, the F430 is new. In ALMS the biggest competitor to the Risi Comtezione team this year was themselves. They kept switching co-drivers to Mika Salo and the co-drivers kept wrecking the cars!
11-01-2006, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SimonExtreme
I find this question amusing. Position of the engine is just one factor in determining handling chracteristics. In theory, mid should be better but it depends on weight distribution of other eliments of the car. I have driven mid engined cars that are imposible once the limit is reached while I have also driven front engined cars that are truly wonderful.
So, for me, I will not assume to tell a designer where to put his engine but to let hiom tell me where he would most like it to be. I will then judge his product and decide if I want it.
So, for me, I will not assume to tell a designer where to put his engine but to let hiom tell me where he would most like it to be. I will then judge his product and decide if I want it.
It still remains that when Porsche has had a clean sheet of paper to start the design of a racing car or a free hand at modification of the 911 for racing, the result has been a mid-engined car.
11-02-2006, 07:01 AM
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One very important aspect of performance is traction. In dynamic physics it makes since to have the engine at the back in a rear drive car. This is why very few cars can exit out of a corner like a 911. Its also the reason why you should NOT lift :-) coming out .....
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11-02-2006, 07:45 AM
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I was just thinking ( I know, a dangerous thing) that since the GT 3 is actually quite different than the 997 and is less powerful than the GT 2 & GT 1 why can't Porsche Marketing come out with a GT 4 i.e. a higher performance track oriented Cayman S with perhaps a true dry sump motor?
That way they could spin it not as a threat to the 997 but as the GT 3's little brother??
That way they could spin it not as a threat to the 997 but as the GT 3's little brother??
11-02-2006, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Cupcar
No question that one can find poorly designed and or developed examples of all potential engine positions, and furthurmore the 911 is the best example of the rear engined type.
It still remains that when Porsche has had a clean sheet of paper to start the design of a racing car or a free hand at modification of the 911 for racing, the result has been a mid-engined car.
It still remains that when Porsche has had a clean sheet of paper to start the design of a racing car or a free hand at modification of the 911 for racing, the result has been a mid-engined car.
In principle, if you have a car with 50/50 weight distribution and most of the weight is on both ends (i.e engine in front, tranny in back etc.) or a car with 50/50 weight distribution and majority of the weight in the middle, there's no question the latter car handles better.
