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Old 09-13-2006, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by AeroGT3RedWing
I recommend getting slotted rotors, as they will outgas just as well as cross drilled but have more mass (to absorb heat) and will never crack if properly manufactured.
Never?!
Old 09-14-2006, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by AeroGT3RedWing
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Seriously though, all cross drilled rotors will crack. It's the type of crack that matters. I recommend getting slotted rotors, as they will outgas just as well as cross drilled but have more mass (to absorb heat) and will never crack if properly manufactured.
Never say never....I can crack ANY rotor!
Old 09-14-2006, 11:23 AM
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My front rotors are like this. They are longer than 7mm and they are growing.
Anyway, the mechanics at the Porsche dealer says "No problem."
Old 09-14-2006, 03:45 PM
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Those rotors are garbage. Throw them in the garbage can. Then throw your mechanic in the garbage can.

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Old 09-14-2006, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KIYO_GT3
My front rotors are like this. They are longer than 7mm and they are growing.
Anyway, the mechanics at the Porsche dealer says "No problem."
Those rotors are fine. If I replaced my rotors every time they looked like that I would be changing them every couple of events. Unless a crack connects two holes or makes it to the edge, they should be fine.
Old 09-14-2006, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by db_gt3
Those rotors are garbage. Throw them in the garbage can. Then throw your mechanic in the garbage can.
I disagree. Until they hit the edge they're fine....

A note on the aluminum hats and slotted rotors:
Initial outlay of $4,000. including the hats which are a one time purchase. I can buy a set of steel rotors from PMS for less than $600. The benefits to the slotted rotors are they last much longer, and they're 6 lbs.(+-) less per wheel of unsprung weight. Unfortunately, if you're racing they will thow you up into the next class at least in PCA. The collective Cup drivers here in POC voted this year to allow them without penalty and hopefully PCA will see the light. One other thing to note, when you hit a hard bump the aluminum hats will pull back from the rotors and your initial push on the pedal may scare the bleep out of you epecially if you're at speed. The cure is to lightly tap the pedal after a hard bump to firm up the pedal....
Old 09-14-2006, 05:33 PM
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Why so expensive? My Brembo set was under $2000. Of course I got the "nice guy deal".
Old 09-14-2006, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by db_gt3
Why so expensive? My Brembo set was under $2000. Of course I got the "nice guy deal".
Including the aluminum hats and labor? I'll take that deal, so who in LA's giving it away for $2k?....
Old 09-15-2006, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mitch236
Never?!
Unless you are purposely trying to crack them, no.
Old 09-15-2006, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by KIYO_GT3
My front rotors are like this. They are longer than 7mm and they are growing.
Anyway, the mechanics at the Porsche dealer says "No problem."
That rotor is totally fine. If you throw it away, you are just pissing money away.


Originally Posted by AeroGT3RedWing
Unless you are purposely trying to crack them, no.
That is totally untrue. Slotted rotors do crack. The picture I posted earlier was a slotted rotor. Crack happen when you race.
Old 09-17-2006, 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 38D
That is totally untrue. Slotted rotors do crack. The picture I posted earlier was a slotted rotor. Crack happen when you race.
There aren't any slots ::

Properly designed/manufactured slotted rotors do not crack. 99% of drilled rotors crack.
Old 09-17-2006, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by AeroGT3RedWing
There aren't any slots ::
There are slots on that rotor, they are just out of view in the picture. I think there are 5 slots in total.


Originally Posted by AeroGT3RedWing
Properly designed/manufactured slotted rotors do not crack. 99% of drilled rotors crack.
Once again, this is just untrue. The picture I posted is of a Coleman solid rotor with slots. It is a high quality part. Heat cracks rotors. In racing, you are pushing hard enough to generate huge amounts of heat, even with good cooling.

My post is based on my own first hand knowledge of my own brakes on the car I have owned & raced. What is your opinion based on (not a flame, just a question)?
Old 09-18-2006, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 38D
There are slots on that rotor, they are just out of view in the picture. I think there are 5 slots in total.
And the cracks are nowhere near the slots . . . hmm . . . unrelated to the slots perhaps?

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Once again, this is just untrue. The picture I posted is of a Coleman solid rotor with slots. It is a high quality part. Heat cracks rotors. In racing, you are pushing hard enough to generate huge amounts of heat, even with good cooling.
In racing, conditions are totally different from the street cars this thread is about. Anyways, heat doesn't crack rotors, extreme temperature cycles do. You can let the rotor sit in an oven all day, but if you toss cold water on it, or bring it down from 1200 F to 400 F instantly due to excessive brake cooling, yes, any rotor will crack, blanks included.

Originally Posted by 38D
My post is based on my own first hand knowledge of my own brakes on the car I have owned & raced. What is your opinion based on (not a flame, just a question)?
An engineering degree and a strong background in thermo and aerodynamics. Again, you will crack anything going from 1200F to 400F, which is why there is such a thing as too much cooling. But slotted rotors do not create excessive street concentration that drilled ones do. I'd like to see a properly driven, properly cooled, and properly manufactured slotted rotors that has cracks in it related to the slots - i.e., not some random area that's nowhere near a slot.
Old 09-19-2006, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by AeroGT3RedWing
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Seriously though, all cross drilled rotors will crack. It's the type of crack that matters. I recommend getting slotted rotors, as they will outgas just as well as cross drilled but have more mass (to absorb heat) and will never crack if properly manufactured.
Old 09-19-2006, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AeroGT3RedWing
But slotted rotors do not create excessive street concentration that drilled ones do. I'd like to see a properly driven, properly cooled, and properly manufactured slotted rotors that has cracks in it related to the slots - i.e., not some random area that's nowhere near a slot.
Yes, I think my crack was unrelated to the slot. Cross drilled certainly do crack far more than solid/slotted. I would agree that it would be difficult to crack a slotted rotor on the street.


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