Notices
996 Forum 1999-2005
Sponsored by:

Re-starting issues

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-24-2017, 10:10 PM
  #1  
jvjr
5th Gear
Thread Starter
 
jvjr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: St-Lazare, Quebec, Canada
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Unhappy Re-starting issues

my 1999 carrera cab starts like a champion when it's cold, like when I start it for the first time in the morning. But when it gets up in temperature and I shut it off, when I try to re-start it seems like there's not enough power to make the engine run. I have to be careful notto drain the battery while trying to re-start several times. It will usually finally start but somtimes I have need a boost... battery is new, alternator is new... when the car gets cold again then it will start like a champion... battery is not draining. Can there be a short or ground issue only when the car's warm??? don't know what to think or do!
Old 04-24-2017, 10:27 PM
  #2  
wyovino
Rennlist Member
 
wyovino's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,517
Received 610 Likes on 328 Posts
Default

Do a search. It's not an uncommon problem. It could be the cable or the starter itself. In one case there was a missing heat shield that caused the problem.

Last edited by wyovino; 04-24-2017 at 10:44 PM.
Old 04-24-2017, 10:35 PM
  #3  
jvjr
5th Gear
Thread Starter
 
jvjr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: St-Lazare, Quebec, Canada
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

a heat shield issue makes sense since the problem only occurs when the car's warm... what do you mean by do a search?
thank you for you quick reply!
Jacques
Old 04-24-2017, 11:03 PM
  #4  
wyovino
Rennlist Member
 
wyovino's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 3,517
Received 610 Likes on 328 Posts
Default

Go to the 996 forum main page and click on "Search this forum".

A bad cable or a bad starter can be affected by heat.
Old 04-25-2017, 02:10 PM
  #5  
808Bill
Rennlist Member
 
808Bill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Kauai
Posts: 8,054
Received 805 Likes on 543 Posts
Default

I find more hits searching google vs the above search, fwiw...Good luck and report back once you find a fix.
Old 04-25-2017, 02:48 PM
  #6  
DBJoe996
Rennlist Member
 
DBJoe996's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Ormond Beach, FL
Posts: 5,811
Likes: 0
Received 1,091 Likes on 701 Posts
Default

I would place bets on the starter going out. Get a new Bosch starter off Amazon. Been there...done that....solved that.
Old 04-25-2017, 06:34 PM
  #7  
tharbin
Instructor
 
tharbin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Arizona
Posts: 205
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by jvjr
a heat shield issue makes sense since the problem only occurs when the car's warm... what do you mean by do a search?
thank you for you quick reply!
Jacques
jvjr, You need to give us more information to get much help here. The most common causes are a failing starter cable, a heat-socked starter or vapor lock from the emissions system. Does it usually start okay if you try to start it again in a few minutes, like say after fueling? Does the engine turn over normally but just not "catch" or does it sound like the starter is turning slowly?

Examples: if it sounds like the starter is turning slowly it is probably the starter or the starter cable. If it does not start after a refueling it is probably the tank vent. If it turns over normally but doesn't catch after the car has sat for 15 minutes or more it is probably the purge valve. I'm sure there are others I didn't list.
Old 04-25-2017, 07:39 PM
  #8  
Schnell Gelb
Drifting
 
Schnell Gelb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 2,333
Likes: 0
Received 23 Likes on 18 Posts
Default

Check the CkPS also
Old 04-25-2017, 07:55 PM
  #9  
human911
Advanced
 
human911's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Rogue River, OR
Posts: 64
Received 6 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

I had this similar issue and it happened to be my Y Cable. Starter to Alternator
Old 04-25-2017, 08:09 PM
  #10  
fpb111
Rennlist Member
 
fpb111's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Northern NJ
Posts: 5,535
Received 93 Likes on 69 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by human911
I had this similar issue and it happened to be my Y Cable. Starter to Alternator
This, very common to have high resistance in that cable due to corrosion under the insulation near the connections.
Old 04-25-2017, 08:27 PM
  #11  
fpb111
Rennlist Member
 
fpb111's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Northern NJ
Posts: 5,535
Received 93 Likes on 69 Posts
Default

Couple of threads addressing this cable.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...ter-cable.html
For a later car
Not exactly the same but Has some pics to help you visualize
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...tor-cable.html
Old 04-25-2017, 08:49 PM
  #12  
jvjr
5th Gear
Thread Starter
 
jvjr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: St-Lazare, Quebec, Canada
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

the starter just doesn't have enough power to turn the crank shaft, when I turn on the ignition everything shuts down immediately, even the clock resets. It'll eventually start when hot but it takes several tries. Never happens when it's cold.
Thank you All for your help and support!
J
Old 04-25-2017, 11:13 PM
  #13  
tharbin
Instructor
 
tharbin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Arizona
Posts: 205
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by jvjr
the starter just doesn't have enough power to turn the crank shaft, when I turn on the ignition everything shuts down immediately, even the clock resets. It'll eventually start when hot but it takes several tries. Never happens when it's cold.
Thank you All for your help and support!
J
Thanks jvjr. Sounds like the first guess by wyovino is probably right, either the Y-cable pictured above or the starter itself. They are both common issues. fpb111 gave you a couple of good links. If you do a search in the forum for y-cable or alternator cable you will find plenty of information on it. Also search Pelican Parts for a tutorial on replacing the starter. I believe I remember seeing one on there. I haven't had either issue (knock on wood) but many have I'm sure they can provide you with the right part numbers (if it is the starter get the Bosch they mentioned, much cheaper than Porsche and exact same unit).

Good luck.
Old 04-25-2017, 11:22 PM
  #14  
dan_189
Race Car
 
dan_189's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 3,747
Received 127 Likes on 112 Posts
Default

There is a voltage drop check you can do to see if there is a difference between the back of the alternator output and the jump terminal post. If the figures arent the same when the car is hot the cable is shot

Was too daunting for me to change a few years back so I had it done by the dealership. However having done more work since then I wouldn't hesitate to now do it myself.

Depends on how confident and handy you are, a dealership/indy will charge a bit to change it out.
Old 04-25-2017, 11:29 PM
  #15  
jvjr
5th Gear
Thread Starter
 
jvjr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: St-Lazare, Quebec, Canada
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Excellent! many thanks
J



Quick Reply: Re-starting issues



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 12:23 AM.