HAVE MILSHAKE
04-06-2017, 12:09 PM
#47
Burning Brakes
04-06-2017, 01:40 PM
#49
Former Vendor
It can't fail a PPI if the standards of the PPI are too low, either.
Thats the issue, shops don't want to break the buyer's heart with the truth, or they charge some cheap price to do a 30 minute walk around of the car.
I'd spend 8 hours on the engine alone.
Thats the issue, shops don't want to break the buyer's heart with the truth, or they charge some cheap price to do a 30 minute walk around of the car.
I'd spend 8 hours on the engine alone.
04-06-2017, 01:49 PM
#50
Race Director
I have no idea what OP's situation is, but it is funny that people bargain-shop for PPIs. I hate overpaying, but racing to the bottom for a PPI just doesn't figure.
If OP had known what to look for before buying, the fingerprints were likely already there. But buying your first 911 is emotional; I bought mine sans-ppi (though with an agreement with the seller that they'd make things right if anything went sideways with the car). Had I been buying private-party and not from a business I have traded with (both buying cars as well as service on past Volvos), I would have been far more anxious about the purchase.
If OP had known what to look for before buying, the fingerprints were likely already there. But buying your first 911 is emotional; I bought mine sans-ppi (though with an agreement with the seller that they'd make things right if anything went sideways with the car). Had I been buying private-party and not from a business I have traded with (both buying cars as well as service on past Volvos), I would have been far more anxious about the purchase.
04-06-2017, 01:54 PM
#51
Former Vendor
People whine and cry at nothing these days.
04-06-2017, 02:04 PM
#52
Race Director
People have been ruined by keyboards. They no longer understand how things work. All they want is instant gratification, and they simply can't handle it when things cost real money, or take real time... They really can't take reality, and truth.
People whine and cry at nothing these days.
People whine and cry at nothing these days.
It's stunning how many people are not actively participating in their own lives.
04-06-2017, 02:10 PM
#53
Rennlist Member
Since several people have asked about it this week: still pending. Any additional info should come from the owner, not me.
Last edited by FRUNKenstein; 04-07-2017 at 01:25 AM.
04-06-2017, 02:11 PM
#54
Former Vendor
It's stunning how many people are not actively participating in their own lives.
I refuse to become flexible enough in my delivery of information to properly interface with these people. I tell them exactly what they need to hear, exactly as they need to hear it, for things to sink in, for reality to hit.. If they start crying, or whining I generally get pissed off and just give up on them.
This year is worse than ever. Someone shed tears yesterday because their 996 failed my pre- IMS retrofit evaluation. Literally started crying. Then they got pissed off because I wouldn't lower our standards to perform the work. Sorry, no means no, and fail means fail here.
04-06-2017, 02:16 PM
#55
Get some of these tools to fix your milshake problem.
04-06-2017, 02:26 PM
#56
People have been ruined by keyboards. They no longer understand how things work. All they want is instant gratification, and they simply can't handle it when things cost real money, or take real time... They really can't take reality, and truth.
People whine and cry at nothing these days.
People whine and cry at nothing these days.
04-06-2017, 02:42 PM
#57
Rennlist Member
About 90% of them... It will only get worse, and worse, too.
I refuse to become flexible enough in my delivery of information to properly interface with these people. I tell them exactly what they need to hear, exactly as they need to hear it, for things to sink in, for reality to hit.. If they start crying, or whining I generally get pissed off and just give up on them.
This year is worse than ever. Someone shed tears yesterday because their 996 failed my pre- IMS retrofit evaluation. Literally started crying. Then they got pissed off because I wouldn't lower our standards to perform the work. Sorry, no means no, and fail means fail here.
I refuse to become flexible enough in my delivery of information to properly interface with these people. I tell them exactly what they need to hear, exactly as they need to hear it, for things to sink in, for reality to hit.. If they start crying, or whining I generally get pissed off and just give up on them.
This year is worse than ever. Someone shed tears yesterday because their 996 failed my pre- IMS retrofit evaluation. Literally started crying. Then they got pissed off because I wouldn't lower our standards to perform the work. Sorry, no means no, and fail means fail here.
04-06-2017, 03:06 PM
#59
Shameful Thread Killer
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
My issue is kinda the opposite. I try to hire a PPI, and TELL him what I want done. There exists some happy medium between the 'walk around' and spending 8 hours on the engine alone(no offense Jake). I guess there's a name for that as well - control freak, OCD, **** retentive(hehe). Whatev.
I call a shop and I can hire them to do exactly what I tell them to do, but then it's no longer really a PPI. It becomes exploratory surgery, and also some sellers aren't going to allow that on their car. It's a team effort. I'll put in my time and money as the buyer, but when I'm paying, I expect to get exactly what I ask for. I couldn't even find a shop willing to take off the sump plate, and run my checklist of things to look for. Shops which do the PPI are in business to sell work, not to protect the buyer. So, there's also a built in bias starting out. I only know one local shop I would trust, but then again, if it's a local shop - I really don't need to hire them to do what I can/will do. But in NY, or SF, or Denver - I'd have to rely on someone distant to dig in where I don't have time to run out there with a full set of tools and DIY.
Professionalism in the automotive repair trades has forever been questionable. We've seen it right here on this forum. So, wariness is warranted more specifically when a PPI is underway.
I call a shop and I can hire them to do exactly what I tell them to do, but then it's no longer really a PPI. It becomes exploratory surgery, and also some sellers aren't going to allow that on their car. It's a team effort. I'll put in my time and money as the buyer, but when I'm paying, I expect to get exactly what I ask for. I couldn't even find a shop willing to take off the sump plate, and run my checklist of things to look for. Shops which do the PPI are in business to sell work, not to protect the buyer. So, there's also a built in bias starting out. I only know one local shop I would trust, but then again, if it's a local shop - I really don't need to hire them to do what I can/will do. But in NY, or SF, or Denver - I'd have to rely on someone distant to dig in where I don't have time to run out there with a full set of tools and DIY.
Professionalism in the automotive repair trades has forever been questionable. We've seen it right here on this forum. So, wariness is warranted more specifically when a PPI is underway.
04-06-2017, 03:12 PM
#60
Race Director
You also become the guy calling the shots; when something gets missed, somebody's gonna go "but, but, but..." - and "well, you never SAID to check the ...".