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12-02-2016, 10:38 PM
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Hm. They are probably pulling your leg. You need to remove the motor and split the transmission from the motor to correctly verify. I doubt a used car dealer would do that.
Do you have any LN enginnering stickers on the car?
Do you have any LN enginnering stickers on the car?
12-02-2016, 10:43 PM
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yeah, I didn't know that, but they did when I asked them about it.
12-02-2016, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by stan23
You need to remove the motor and split the transmission from the motor to correctly verify.
12-02-2016, 11:55 PM
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12-03-2016, 12:46 PM
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So I had to edit my original post as I have come to the realization that they falsely advertised my car as a C4 AWD, when in fact it is a C2 RWD.
not sure if there are any laws about this. Anyone know?
this is the craigslist ad. Funny that they removed the picture of the damaged wheel.
2002 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 6 Speed Hard Top Convertible in EXCELLENT Condition
http://palmsprings.craigslist.org/ctd/5858838800.html
not sure if there are any laws about this. Anyone know?
this is the craigslist ad. Funny that they removed the picture of the damaged wheel.
2002 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 6 Speed Hard Top Convertible in EXCELLENT Condition
http://palmsprings.craigslist.org/ctd/5858838800.html
12-03-2016, 01:08 PM
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For some reason I can't open your links. But if it was a dealer, then you have a fraud claim (or misreperesentation) claim and you may be able to get some money back if you said you were relying on it to be a Carrera 4.
From a legal website - so take it with a grain of salt
Proving Fraud and Collecting Damages
A victim of auto dealer fraud will likely find a tort action to be the most effective means of inflicting meaningful retribution upon the dealer and obtaining a significant damage award. To establish a common law claim for fraud, the victim must show that the dealer omitted or misrepresented material facts, resulting in a financial loss for the victim. To qualify as material, the facts at issue must pass the “but for” test. In other words, but for the omitted or misrepresented facts, the customer would not have purchased the vehicle.
Once fraud is proven, the victim may be entitled to various remedies tailored to the specific circumstances, such as being allowed to surrender an unwanted vehicle and having the court order a refund of all payments made toward the purchase. The victim may also be allowed to cancel any outstanding loan balances or obligations, and receive compensation for wrongful repossession of the vehicle, if that occurred. Court costs and attorney fees may be available, and in cases of especially shameful or predatory conduct by the dealer, the victim may be awarded punitive damages.
From a legal website - so take it with a grain of salt
Proving Fraud and Collecting Damages
A victim of auto dealer fraud will likely find a tort action to be the most effective means of inflicting meaningful retribution upon the dealer and obtaining a significant damage award. To establish a common law claim for fraud, the victim must show that the dealer omitted or misrepresented material facts, resulting in a financial loss for the victim. To qualify as material, the facts at issue must pass the “but for” test. In other words, but for the omitted or misrepresented facts, the customer would not have purchased the vehicle.
Once fraud is proven, the victim may be entitled to various remedies tailored to the specific circumstances, such as being allowed to surrender an unwanted vehicle and having the court order a refund of all payments made toward the purchase. The victim may also be allowed to cancel any outstanding loan balances or obligations, and receive compensation for wrongful repossession of the vehicle, if that occurred. Court costs and attorney fees may be available, and in cases of especially shameful or predatory conduct by the dealer, the victim may be awarded punitive damages.
12-03-2016, 01:10 PM
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12-03-2016, 01:10 PM
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Did you check under the car to see if there is a front diff? You may want to "print screen" the Craigslist ad. It's still up. Clearly states AWD in 2 places in the ad. Capture it now before he pulls the ad.
12-03-2016, 03:07 PM
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and don't worry, I have screen shots and have printed the ad to PDF.
12-03-2016, 03:10 PM
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Did you get a PPI on it? Do you know when the last time the oil filter was changed? Have you checked the car fax?
If the oil hasn't been changed recently, pull the oil filter, and pull the paper filter part off so that you can stretch it out over a paper towel. If there are any plastic or metal bits, take a picture and post it. You will lose less than a quart of oil doing this.
Assuming it is mechanically sound, it looks like a pretty decent car at pretty decent price. Unless you specifically need the AWD, the C2 is lighter weight and a better performer. Lots of people, including myself, will take a C4 and convert it to a C2 for this very reason.
If the oil hasn't been changed recently, pull the oil filter, and pull the paper filter part off so that you can stretch it out over a paper towel. If there are any plastic or metal bits, take a picture and post it. You will lose less than a quart of oil doing this.
Assuming it is mechanically sound, it looks like a pretty decent car at pretty decent price. Unless you specifically need the AWD, the C2 is lighter weight and a better performer. Lots of people, including myself, will take a C4 and convert it to a C2 for this very reason.
12-03-2016, 04:30 PM
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Negligent Misrepresentation
If you cannot establish all the required elements of fraud, you may nonetheless be able to establish that the seller made certain negligent misrepresentations. The advantage of negligent misrepresentation is that you need not establish that the seller knew of the falsity of the representations. Instead, you must establish only that the seller made the representations under circumstances indicating a reckless disregard for the truth, or that seller ought to have known that such representations were not true. For example, if a seller represented that the tires of a used car were good, he has a duty to know that they were good. If he made the representation without having sufficiently inspected the tires to know whether the statement was correct, he is subject to the same liability as though he had made a thorough inspection of the tires, knew they were defective, and stated they were good. A seller will never be held liable for misrepresentations if there was no reliance or if the statements were mere "puffing" and not representations. - See more at: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-librar....NXZkDxbM.dpuf
If you cannot establish all the required elements of fraud, you may nonetheless be able to establish that the seller made certain negligent misrepresentations. The advantage of negligent misrepresentation is that you need not establish that the seller knew of the falsity of the representations. Instead, you must establish only that the seller made the representations under circumstances indicating a reckless disregard for the truth, or that seller ought to have known that such representations were not true. For example, if a seller represented that the tires of a used car were good, he has a duty to know that they were good. If he made the representation without having sufficiently inspected the tires to know whether the statement was correct, he is subject to the same liability as though he had made a thorough inspection of the tires, knew they were defective, and stated they were good. A seller will never be held liable for misrepresentations if there was no reliance or if the statements were mere "puffing" and not representations. - See more at: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-librar....NXZkDxbM.dpuf
12-03-2016, 06:44 PM
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Never forget DASH. Dealers Are PooPoo Heads. All forums are thick with example after example.
Whatever your desired outcome is HawkFan#12 from this deception (they knew), I hope it works out for you.
Good luck,
Eddie
Whatever your desired outcome is HawkFan#12 from this deception (they knew), I hope it works out for you.
Good luck,
Eddie