Thinking of selling my 996. Hope you don't hate me
11-09-2016, 09:53 PM
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11-10-2016, 11:21 AM
#47
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At the end of the day "It is all Relative" my Brothers - I know of what you speak of, but nothing drives, looks or handles as well as a PORSCHE - But that is just me, I don't believe no One Car can give you everything perfect due to the dynamic of our lives. My brother shared some of your reasons, so he sold his 997S and went with a Cayenne GTS and never bitched again, two years later, he still loves it. I borrowed it for a weekend trip with my kids and flll in love with it also.
11-10-2016, 12:41 PM
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I still enjoy the car, and driving it locally. No one can complain about the performance for the buck, I guess it's just the risk management that has me bugged. There's no good path forward in the event of an engine failure.
11-10-2016, 12:58 PM
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For this level of driving experience one has to pay to play. This Porsche isn't any different. There is a reason the price of entry is low but we will all have to pay the price for driving excellence sooner or later. Right now your playing the odds and are winning.
11-10-2016, 01:01 PM
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This status was once owned by the 964. And that car's engine was a disaster -- although most of the cases have been resealed by now, so people tend to forget. We're on the same value track with the 996 we're just early. Good to be ahead of the curve.
11-10-2016, 03:16 PM
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There was a time when no one wanted a 964. And that time was just 8 years ago. How times have changed. Try and purchase a 1993-1994 C2 manual with under 100k miles for under $50k, it's not gonna happen. In 2008 you could have purchased a C2 964 for low 20's all day and night. Unfortunately I do not see this happening for the 996 ever. The reason is the 997.2 (no IMSB). In a couple of years the 997.2 will start dropping into the 30's for higher mileage cars and it's just a better choice.
11-10-2016, 04:33 PM
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With all respect, I disagree. The 996 was the car the saved Porsche from complete bankruptcy. Pinky Lai's design was radical and controversial. Therefore, anything that's weird and unique which becomes very popular while hated at the same time, may bring in lots of $$$ once it's considered a collector's classic. It may take another 20-30 years, but it is highly likely to happen. 
11-10-2016, 05:09 PM
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There are too many 996's for them to be collector items. Maybe but maybe, the lighter '99s with no electronic driving aides and the best steering feel could get a following, but probably not because there are GT3s.
11-10-2016, 05:19 PM
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My 03 C2 doesn't have any electronic aids beyond ABS. And it has enough bump steer to keep you focused . At $72k MSRP it's one of the least optioned C2s from that year.
I love the mk1 style as well but the analog feel of 996s isn't confined to mk1s.
Mechanical grip >>> Computer-driven grip
. At $72k MSRP it's one of the least optioned C2s from that year.I love the mk1 style as well but the analog feel of 996s isn't confined to mk1s.
Mechanical grip >>> Computer-driven grip
11-10-2016, 05:31 PM
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I've been going thru this as well, but you know what, it's just plain fun to have a 911. I just spent a ton of money on repairs this summer and was trying to sell mine as a result. Instead it's now in storage for the winter and I already miss it and am glad it didn't sell.
11-10-2016, 05:37 PM
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I agree that "supply and demand" will hurt the more common 996 cars like the Carrera Coupe and Carrera Cabriolet... but what do collectors normally go after?
Do they pick the more common of the bunch?
Answer - absolutely not!
Collectors go after highly exclusive cars that are high in demand. These cars usually highly exclusive, unmolested, and stock from the factory.
For example, if I were a collector, I would be looking to grab a deal on a 2000 GT-3R. That only made 63 total... ever! Another example would be the 996 GT3RS. There were only 682 made in 2003 and 2004. And.. they only made 600 offerings of the 996 Turbo S coupes in 2004 and 2005.
My point is that collectors are not really going to fool with common offerings like the base 996 Carrera Coupe because there were 35,589 made. That high number dilutes the market. But exclusivity makes it valuable. Therefore, the GT3RS and others like it, will bring in nice profits in the near future IMHO.
Cheers!
Do they pick the more common of the bunch?
Answer - absolutely not!
Collectors go after highly exclusive cars that are high in demand. These cars usually highly exclusive, unmolested, and stock from the factory.
For example, if I were a collector, I would be looking to grab a deal on a 2000 GT-3R. That only made 63 total... ever! Another example would be the 996 GT3RS. There were only 682 made in 2003 and 2004. And.. they only made 600 offerings of the 996 Turbo S coupes in 2004 and 2005.
My point is that collectors are not really going to fool with common offerings like the base 996 Carrera Coupe because there were 35,589 made. That high number dilutes the market. But exclusivity makes it valuable. Therefore, the GT3RS and others like it, will bring in nice profits in the near future IMHO.
Cheers!
11-10-2016, 05:44 PM
#57
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Right on! I don't expect my C2 Carrera Cabriolet to be worth much more than I paid. I see enough auctions where 1 model of a Mustang, Camaro, Vette etc. etc. is worth a couple hundred thousand and most are worth 35 thousand. So my car is for me to enjoy. Mission accomplished!
11-10-2016, 07:29 PM
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There was a time when no one wanted a 964. And that time was just 8 years ago. How times have changed. Try and purchase a 1993-1994 C2 manual with under 100k miles for under $50k, it's not gonna happen. In 2008 you could have purchased a C2 964 for low 20's all day and night. Unfortunately I do not see this happening for the 996 ever. The reason is the 997.2 (no IMSB). In a couple of years the 997.2 will start dropping into the 30's for higher mileage cars and it's just a better choice.
If the 996 behaves similarly, that will be just super. The 914 came on the scene about 47 years ago and the 912 arrived 51 years ago. Assuming similar timelines for the 996, values should start skyrocketing just in time for my 90th birthday.
11-10-2016, 10:24 PM
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It's been said so many times that I almost rolled my eyes while writing this - but the poor man's Porsche - the 912 - has appreciated over time. Even the 914 - the REALLY poor man's Porsche - has done the same. I know people love to point out that 996's were made in vast quantities so you can't draw the same parallels (even though Porsche/VW stamped out nearly 120K 914's).
If the 996 behaves similarly, that will be just super. The 914 came on the scene about 47 years ago and the 912 arrived 51 years ago. Assuming similar timelines for the 996, values should start skyrocketing just in time for my 90th birthday.
If the 996 behaves similarly, that will be just super. The 914 came on the scene about 47 years ago and the 912 arrived 51 years ago. Assuming similar timelines for the 996, values should start skyrocketing just in time for my 90th birthday.
As with most things worthy, the cream will rise to the top and that cream will continue to go up in price. How quick that will happen is the big mystery. Prices seem a bit flat now, and that's real easy to take for granted... I think unmolested matching number 996's with the popular color combos, good service history and paperwork are safe bets to eventually become desirable collector cars (assuming you handle the car's known "issues" properly).
Personally, I'm tempted to own two. One to be a DD and one to be a garage queen or a track car... How the hell to I talk my wife into that???
11-10-2016, 10:50 PM
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This has been an interesting thread to read, since I actually decided to list my car for sale recently (only on Craigslist so far, but still).
But I'm almost certainly replacing it with another Porsche from the same (ish) era - looking at 987 Boxster S, 996 Cab, and 996 Targa. I just decided that I enjoy top-down motoring too much to not own a convertible, or at least a panoramic moonroof of the Targa.
My only issue is that I got a good car, a 99 Carrera 4 with relatively low miles (5x,000), and I'm not sure I'll be able to find another one like that at a price I consider reasonable.
But I'm almost certainly replacing it with another Porsche from the same (ish) era - looking at 987 Boxster S, 996 Cab, and 996 Targa. I just decided that I enjoy top-down motoring too much to not own a convertible, or at least a panoramic moonroof of the Targa.
My only issue is that I got a good car, a 99 Carrera 4 with relatively low miles (5x,000), and I'm not sure I'll be able to find another one like that at a price I consider reasonable.