Notices
996 Forum 1999-2005
Sponsored by:

Brown Plastic Bits

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 2, 2016 | 12:17 AM
  #1  
Slakker's Avatar
Slakker
Thread Starter
Rennlist Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,777
Likes: 284
From: Edmond, OK
Default Brown Plastic Bits

I found a bit of brown plastic in my oil pan when I dropped it a few weeks ago on my silver '99 C2. After a weekend at the track, I cut open the oil filter and found another bit. I assume this is chain tensioner pad material?

Does anyone have a favorite DIY or tips? Also, what are the easy "while your at it" things to do while I'm in there. I'm going to be selling this car within the next six month so I don't want to go overboard on the scope of the project. I just want to get it to the point that I could sell it to a friend or fellow Rennlister in good conscience.
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2016 | 01:44 AM
  #2  
FRUNKenstein's Avatar
FRUNKenstein
Rennlist Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 6,020
Likes: 319
From: Overland Park, KS
Default

Why don't you call your buddies in Huntington Beach? I hear they're pretty good at making diagnoses with minimal info.
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2016 | 09:11 AM
  #3  
Slakker's Avatar
Slakker
Thread Starter
Rennlist Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,777
Likes: 284
From: Edmond, OK
Default

Reply
Old Oct 2, 2016 | 11:06 AM
  #4  
Montychristo128's Avatar
Montychristo128
Pro
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 588
Likes: 2
From: The Great White North
Default

I can swap you for a rattly engine if you like??
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2016 | 12:30 PM
  #5  
Slakker's Avatar
Slakker
Thread Starter
Rennlist Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,777
Likes: 284
From: Edmond, OK
Default

I'll trade you the engine out of my '00 that has a broken camshaft among other items. At least then there would be no mystery.
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2016 | 02:18 PM
  #6  
RRTEC's Avatar
RRTEC
Racer
 
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 497
Likes: 10
From: Nashville TN
Default

Time to open it up... at least the heads..
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2016 | 03:42 PM
  #7  
Montychristo128's Avatar
Montychristo128
Pro
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 588
Likes: 2
From: The Great White North
Default

Originally Posted by Slakker
I'll trade you the engine out of my '00 that has a broken camshaft among other items. At least then there would be no mystery.
Hmmm let me think about that.....................
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2016 | 05:13 PM
  #8  
Noz1974's Avatar
Noz1974
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 776
Likes: 59
Default

If your selling I wouldn't open a can of worms it can get expensive while your in there, I think quite a few of these engines this age will be getting the odd bit of plastic whether it gets noticed or not?? The vario pads in the heads are main culprit and easier than the rest as its only valve covers off so maybe do those of you have to, the rear main rails need engine out to get at the bolts , you may possibly get the front main rails, all ims related tensioners need the case to be split so you won't get those!
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2016 | 05:34 PM
  #9  
Slakker's Avatar
Slakker
Thread Starter
Rennlist Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,777
Likes: 284
From: Edmond, OK
Default

Originally Posted by Noz1974
If your selling I wouldn't open a can of worms it can get expensive while your in there, I think quite a few of these engines this age will be getting the odd bit of plastic whether it gets noticed or not?? The vario pads in the heads are main culprit and easier than the rest as its only valve covers off so maybe do those of you have to, the rear main rails need engine out to get at the bolts , you may possibly get the front main rails, all ims related tensioners need the case to be split so you won't get those!
Thx for chiming in Noz. I would definitely prefer not to split the case but don't mind pulling the engine.

And I don't want to change the pads if it's not really an issue. But if it is, I want to get it taken care of so the next guy doesn't have to.
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2016 | 04:06 AM
  #10  
Noz1974's Avatar
Noz1974
Burning Brakes
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 776
Likes: 59
Default

What sort of reading you getting on cam deviation?? If its not getting near the limit I wouldn't worry, it's an old car things wear, you can't go through every last bit renewing everything before you sell it!!
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2016 | 11:36 AM
  #11  
Macster's Avatar
Macster
Race Director
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 19,031
Likes: 266
From: Bentonville, AR
Default

Originally Posted by Slakker
I found a bit of brown plastic in my oil pan when I dropped it a few weeks ago on my silver '99 C2. After a weekend at the track, I cut open the oil filter and found another bit. I assume this is chain tensioner pad material?

Does anyone have a favorite DIY or tips? Also, what are the easy "while your at it" things to do while I'm in there. I'm going to be selling this car within the next six month so I don't want to go overboard on the scope of the project. I just want to get it to the point that I could sell it to a friend or fellow Rennlister in good conscience.
May not be a problem. That bit of brown plastic in the oil pan could have been there since day one.

The bit in the filter element could be new or from the violence of the oil during the track event a piece in the sump might have been ingested and ended up in the filter element.

Noz1974 asked a good question regarding cam timing deviation.

Provided the CEL is off, the engine is not making any scary noises and runs without any drama -- no varying idle, lumpiness, etc. -- with fresh oil and and oil filter I'd drive the car some. Nothing fancy just about town your normal usage.

Always be on high alert for any signs of engine trouble and if any signs appear shut off the engine ASAP and do not start it again. Flat bed car to a shop.

But I don't expect this to happen.

After some time -- you decide how long to drive the car, run the engine -- an hour? A day? A week? --- then at least drop the oil filter housing and carefully dump its contents into a clean drain pan.

If you find more plastic bits that's not a good sign.

If you find none with a clean housing and new filter and the housing filled with oil install the housing with its new filter and drive some more.
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2016 | 02:35 PM
  #12  
Slakker's Avatar
Slakker
Thread Starter
Rennlist Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,777
Likes: 284
From: Edmond, OK
Default

I'll check the deviations tonight.

I dropped the sump and cleaned it out 6,000 miles ago. Dropped it, found a bit of plastic, and cleaned it prior to the track weekend along with oil (race oil) and filter change. Checked the filter after the weekend and found another bit of brown plastic and possibly a few bits of black plastic.
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2016 | 11:44 PM
  #13  
Slakker's Avatar
Slakker
Thread Starter
Rennlist Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,777
Likes: 284
From: Edmond, OK
Default

Deviations are at 0 and 3 which is unchanged since the day I bought the car. And for the record, it runs amazingly well. I just want to make sure to do my part to keep it that way.
Reply
Old Oct 4, 2016 | 11:35 AM
  #14  
Macster's Avatar
Macster
Race Director
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 19,031
Likes: 266
From: Bentonville, AR
Default

Originally Posted by Slakker
I'll check the deviations tonight.

I dropped the sump and cleaned it out 6,000 miles ago. Dropped it, found a bit of plastic, and cleaned it prior to the track weekend along with oil (race oil) and filter change. Checked the filter after the weekend and found another bit of brown plastic and possibly a few bits of black plastic.
IIRC the brown bits are from the VarioCam actuator rails, the black bits come from either the crank/IMS chain drive rails or one of the IMS to exhaust chain drive rails.

The actuator rails can be accessed with the engine in the car. The other chain rails at least some of them is an engine out and engine disassembly job to replace. And of course then there is the gotcha of "while you are there"...

Maybe you ought to give tracking a miss?
Reply
Old Oct 4, 2016 | 12:58 PM
  #15  
Slakker's Avatar
Slakker
Thread Starter
Rennlist Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 4,777
Likes: 284
From: Edmond, OK
Default

Originally Posted by Macster

Maybe you ought to give tracking a miss?
Et tu, Brute?
Reply



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 08:10 AM.