1st gear or 2nd gear
04-05-2016, 12:55 PM
#16
Race Director
No way, Hurdi says that RPM needs to be at 2,500RPM and oil at least 2.5 bars at all times (presumably in order to prevent damage to the component that never fails). This requires dumping the clutch in reverse when backing out of the garage, sliding around through a Jimmy Rockford, and grabbing first* and smoking down the street like Marty McFly on speed.
*Note that you will need to speed shift - leaving the throttle completely depressed while making the R-1 shift - to keep the oil pressure acceptably high.
This is the only method proven to prevent damage to your car.
*Note that you will need to speed shift - leaving the throttle completely depressed while making the R-1 shift - to keep the oil pressure acceptably high.
This is the only method proven to prevent damage to your car.
04-05-2016, 01:53 PM
#18
Rennlist Member
Hold on. Forget the street vs. track question for a minute. Yes, there's always a racing line and weight shift, etc. but, at 15mph on a street, are any of you really worried about spinning out on dry pavement? I feel like we're considering the benefits of a rear wing spoiler at 15mph.
-Eric
-Eric
^ Beat ya to it "Sue" ^
04-05-2016, 02:06 PM
#19
Rennlist Member
The only time I use 1st gear is below 3mph or from a stop. If I feel I would lug the engine in 2nd then I would rather ride the clutch for a couple of seconds as the alternative. I do actually change down from 3rd to 2nd when turning at right angle to the road I am leaving. I will use 3rd as high as 50mph in preference to 4th to prevent a drop in oil pressure. I like to keep the revs at 2500 or as near as dammit is to swearing at all times all though that is not always possible. I drive watching closely my revs and oil pressure and work around those 2 gauges. I would rather use my gears than my brakes in a lot of situations.
Is that g11 specific advice? Just curious, because it's ****ing terrible advice.
04-05-2016, 02:27 PM
#20
Race Director
Otherwise, I'ma side with DTM.
04-05-2016, 03:54 PM
#21
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Here are some responses to various questions in some random order.
Yes
No
It’s OK, won’t damage anything.
Don’t ever do it that way. Very hard on the [insert car part here].
Get stickier street tires.
Lift-off oversteer.
If in doubt; never lift.
More downforce!
“Tracking out” of a late apex on the street is good. It generally gives you the most visibility around the turn so you can see any anomalies before they hit you.
Get good at heel-toe. It will change the way you drive and save your [insert car part here].
Stop unbalancing the car. The car don’t like that.
Yes
No
It’s OK, won’t damage anything.
Don’t ever do it that way. Very hard on the [insert car part here].
Get stickier street tires.
Lift-off oversteer.
If in doubt; never lift.
More downforce!
“Tracking out” of a late apex on the street is good. It generally gives you the most visibility around the turn so you can see any anomalies before they hit you.
Get good at heel-toe. It will change the way you drive and save your [insert car part here].
Stop unbalancing the car. The car don’t like that.
04-05-2016, 04:11 PM
#22
No way, Hurdi says that RPM needs to be at 2,500RPM and oil at least 2.5 bars at all times (presumably in order to prevent damage to the component that never fails). This requires dumping the clutch in reverse when backing out of the garage, sliding around through a Jimmy Rockford, and grabbing first* and smoking down the street like Marty McFly on speed.
*Note that you will need to speed shift - leaving the throttle completely depressed while making the R-1 shift - to keep the oil pressure acceptably high.
This is the only method proven to prevent damage to your car.
*Note that you will need to speed shift - leaving the throttle completely depressed while making the R-1 shift - to keep the oil pressure acceptably high.
This is the only method proven to prevent damage to your car.
04-05-2016, 04:12 PM
#23
Rennlist Member
No way, Hurdi says that RPM needs to be at 2,500RPM and oil at least 2.5 bars at all times (presumably in order to prevent damage to the component that never fails). This requires dumping the clutch in reverse when backing out of the garage, sliding around through a Jimmy Rockford, and grabbing first* and smoking down the street like Marty McFly on speed.
*Note that you will need to speed shift - leaving the throttle completely depressed while making the R-1 shift - to keep the oil pressure acceptably high.
This is the only method proven to prevent damage to your car.
*Note that you will need to speed shift - leaving the throttle completely depressed while making the R-1 shift - to keep the oil pressure acceptably high.
This is the only method proven to prevent damage to your car.
04-05-2016, 04:22 PM
#24
A little instructional video for you is worth ten thousand words. Enjoy. BTW, I believe that's Hurdi in the blue chase car backing out of the Safeway using his patented 2,500 rpm+ method.
Wow -- the memories. Between the tire squeal-fest and that Chevelle rocking back and forth like a boat at sea just reversing out of the parking spot.... Small wonder that imports moved in and commandeered the car market here.
Wow -- the memories. Between the tire squeal-fest and that Chevelle rocking back and forth like a boat at sea just reversing out of the parking spot.... Small wonder that imports moved in and commandeered the car market here.
04-05-2016, 07:29 PM
#25
In fairness to Hurdi, it's not ALWAYS f****g terrible advice. Say you're a long-haul trucker with a double-load of steel pipe headed down a steep grade and your brakes cook off and there's no runaway ramp...and there's a sharp turn at the end of the grade after which is a thousand-foot drop into the crater of an active volcano. In this case, jake brake the sh*t out of that thing.
Otherwise, I'ma side with DTM.
Otherwise, I'ma side with DTM.
04-06-2016, 12:27 AM
#27
Rennlist Member
I may not be a professional driver but a large margin, but when I'm turning I leave it in second gear. It's never "lugged along." I was taught that 1st is meant soley for acceleration and to put it in second gear while turning with a transmission with more than 4 gears.
04-06-2016, 12:57 AM
#28
Racer
Thread Starter
Tonight's track out:
Stayed in 2nd gear on the approach, rather than my usual coast-then-downshift-to-2nd approach. Big mistake.
There was no grip in the front wheels, my car went too wide, and it almost sputtered on the trackout. The reason is that speed dropped to 22 mph (tight turn), which is around 1500 rpm I think the chart says.
Stayed in 2nd gear on the approach, rather than my usual coast-then-downshift-to-2nd approach. Big mistake.
There was no grip in the front wheels, my car went too wide, and it almost sputtered on the trackout. The reason is that speed dropped to 22 mph (tight turn), which is around 1500 rpm I think the chart says.
04-06-2016, 01:20 AM
#29
Tonight's track out:
Stayed in 2nd gear on the approach, rather than my usual coast-then-downshift-to-2nd approach. Big mistake.
There was no grip in the front wheels, my car went too wide, and it almost sputtered on the trackout. The reason is that speed dropped to 22 mph (tight turn), which is around 1500 rpm I think the chart says.
Stayed in 2nd gear on the approach, rather than my usual coast-then-downshift-to-2nd approach. Big mistake.
There was no grip in the front wheels, my car went too wide, and it almost sputtered on the trackout. The reason is that speed dropped to 22 mph (tight turn), which is around 1500 rpm I think the chart says.
Was your phone ok when you went wide? Do you keep it in secure place?