IMS on '06 997: Ever seen an IMS with a 22mm nut and old style, replaceable bearing?
03-21-2016, 06:41 PM
#31
Definitely doesn't include splitting the case, but even in the case of a replaceable bearing that is just about the cost of the labor alone.
It's not like replacing the bearing is simply removing 3 bolts, yanking it out, and hammering the new one in. Having to take the transmission out of the way for a new clutch/flywheel does cover some of the labor, but there is still certainly more to go.
I'd definitely want to see a detailed list of what was done and if that includes a new bearing I'd want to see the old bearing and a copy of their invoice for purchasing the part. $800 to replace what really appears to be a non-replaceable bearing definitely stretches credulity a bit.
It's not like replacing the bearing is simply removing 3 bolts, yanking it out, and hammering the new one in. Having to take the transmission out of the way for a new clutch/flywheel does cover some of the labor, but there is still certainly more to go.
I'd definitely want to see a detailed list of what was done and if that includes a new bearing I'd want to see the old bearing and a copy of their invoice for purchasing the part. $800 to replace what really appears to be a non-replaceable bearing definitely stretches credulity a bit.
03-21-2016, 06:55 PM
#32
It's worse, guys. The invoice of the LN single ceramic bearing (996 size) is shown in the 997 thread. Even if the mechanic had split or bored the case, that (smaller) LN bearing would not have fitted.
Last edited by Ahsai; 03-21-2016 at 08:00 PM.
03-21-2016, 07:45 PM
#33
Rennlist Member
^^^BINGO
03-21-2016, 07:56 PM
#34
I know, I'm talking about the labor involved once the tranny is out. Maybe $800 is high for just labor, but that is not enough for a bearing and the labor to install it (without the labor of removing the tranny).
03-21-2016, 08:28 PM
#35
Race Director
OP, I know you want to give your wrench the benefit of the doubt, but it sounds like you may have been charged $800 for something that didn't happen - so in addition to getting boned for the cost, you're also driving around thinking Thing A when Thing B is actually the case.
If it turns out you have the new super-duper more-better-robust bearing, that's info you want to have, right? So even to glean that info is worth a follow-up...
If it turns out you have the new super-duper more-better-robust bearing, that's info you want to have, right? So even to glean that info is worth a follow-up...
03-21-2016, 10:20 PM
#37
Racer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jake Raby View Post
The engine number is etched into the block at the oil sump plate/ block parting line on a boss that sits at a 45* angle to the block.
Indeed it is, and here is how to decipher it:
- Last 5 digits on from the right are the specific serial number
- 6th digit from the right is the code for the year of production
- 7th and 8th digits from the right are for type of engine (NA or turbo, and for the number of cylinders
Back to the year of production (6th digit from the right end)
W = 1998
X = 1999
Y = 2000
1 = 2001
2 = 2002
3 = 2003
4 = 2004
etc.
On my replacement engine, the stamped (or etched) number appears like this:
M96/3066309588
The 6th digit from the right is a "3", denoting the engine was produced in 2003.
The above comes from page 599 of "Porsche 996 - The Essential Companion"
Hope this is helpful.
I believe the AT stamped within then engine number designates a factory reman from Porsche
Originally Posted by Jake Raby View Post
The engine number is etched into the block at the oil sump plate/ block parting line on a boss that sits at a 45* angle to the block.
Indeed it is, and here is how to decipher it:
- Last 5 digits on from the right are the specific serial number
- 6th digit from the right is the code for the year of production
- 7th and 8th digits from the right are for type of engine (NA or turbo, and for the number of cylinders
Back to the year of production (6th digit from the right end)
W = 1998
X = 1999
Y = 2000
1 = 2001
2 = 2002
3 = 2003
4 = 2004
etc.
On my replacement engine, the stamped (or etched) number appears like this:
M96/3066309588
The 6th digit from the right is a "3", denoting the engine was produced in 2003.
The above comes from page 599 of "Porsche 996 - The Essential Companion"
Hope this is helpful.
I believe the AT stamped within then engine number designates a factory reman from Porsche
03-22-2016, 07:21 PM
#38
$800 was the cost for the IMS bearing. He was already replacing the rear main seal so there was no additional labor to do the bearing. Also replaced the clutch while he was in there.
03-22-2016, 07:31 PM
#39
The bigger nut also means larger diameter center stud (you can tell from your photo) and that means larger bearing. You can't have a fatter stud with a smaller bearing. Physically impossible.
So Q1) how he got the old larger bearing out of the case?
Q2) how he fit the smaller LN single row (per the invoice) into the larger ims hole?
So Q1) how he got the old larger bearing out of the case?
Q2) how he fit the smaller LN single row (per the invoice) into the larger ims hole?
03-22-2016, 10:35 PM
#40
Posted in other thread also;
OK so it would appear that everyone here was on the right track. I have discussed with the mechanic and we are working it out. My sincere thanks to everyone for the feedback. I'm just glad to know what's going on with my car now.
OK so it would appear that everyone here was on the right track. I have discussed with the mechanic and we are working it out. My sincere thanks to everyone for the feedback. I'm just glad to know what's going on with my car now.
03-23-2016, 11:16 AM
#42
Rennlist Member
Wow! I'll be interested to hear the outcome of whatever agreement you make. I hope at the very least you get your full $800 back that he "stole" from you, and also whether you plan on having him do any more work on your car...
03-23-2016, 01:05 PM
#43
Drifting
sub'd...
03-23-2016, 02:09 PM
#44
Wow, I would've loved to have been a fly on the wall during that conversation.
03-23-2016, 02:17 PM
#45
Glad you are getting it sorted out though.