Roll Back Odometer
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From your link:
therefore, there may be other title brands, odometer readings or discrepancies that apply to this vehicle that are not reflected on this report. CarProof and its US. data provider, Experian, search data from additional sources where possible, but all problems and discrepancies may not be reflected on the CarProof Vehicle History Report. These reports are based on information supplied to Carproof and Experian by external sources believed to be reliable, but no responsibility is assumed by CarProof,
In the US most states take a very dim view of this kind of stuff. I have no idea what the courts in Canada are like. Just by having a mileage discrepancy you have damages. You also have damages considering the actual mileage is higher than was advertised. I would stop calling and start suing. Either explain it to the judge/magistrate, or make it right.
<edit; One more thing, the engine has 2800 hours. If we postulate that the common average speed is 80KPH(~50MPH), then 2800*80= 224,000 KM traveled. Or, we could do 107,000KM/2800Hrs and that would yield an ave speed over the life of the engine of 38KPH. Yeah - right. I don't trust any numbers on the car. >
therefore, there may be other title brands, odometer readings or discrepancies that apply to this vehicle that are not reflected on this report. CarProof and its US. data provider, Experian, search data from additional sources where possible, but all problems and discrepancies may not be reflected on the CarProof Vehicle History Report. These reports are based on information supplied to Carproof and Experian by external sources believed to be reliable, but no responsibility is assumed by CarProof,
In the US most states take a very dim view of this kind of stuff. I have no idea what the courts in Canada are like. Just by having a mileage discrepancy you have damages. You also have damages considering the actual mileage is higher than was advertised. I would stop calling and start suing. Either explain it to the judge/magistrate, or make it right.
<edit; One more thing, the engine has 2800 hours. If we postulate that the common average speed is 80KPH(~50MPH), then 2800*80= 224,000 KM traveled. Or, we could do 107,000KM/2800Hrs and that would yield an ave speed over the life of the engine of 38KPH. Yeah - right. I don't trust any numbers on the car. >
LOL @ suing over mileage discrepancy. Who are you going to sue? PO? On a 16 year old car?
You took possession of the vehicle as-is from the private party. If the car blew up after you drove it home, would you also try to sue the seller? In any private car sale, once money and keys change hands- the car is yours and so are the problems.
And seriously, 72k km or 107k km on the 16 year old car is nothing;42k miles or 60k miles, either way you car was a garage queen. If you had a discrepancy of 42k miles and 242k miles I could see that as being a bit of a bummer.
You took possession of the vehicle as-is from the private party. If the car blew up after you drove it home, would you also try to sue the seller? In any private car sale, once money and keys change hands- the car is yours and so are the problems.
And seriously, 72k km or 107k km on the 16 year old car is nothing;42k miles or 60k miles, either way you car was a garage queen. If you had a discrepancy of 42k miles and 242k miles I could see that as being a bit of a bummer.
The real issue will become evident once 95% of 996's have been wrecked or scrapped (I'm thinking late 2049/early 2050) - at which point this mileage discrepancy could damage resale value. Of course, the real money will be in matching-numbers 996's - and we all know there won't be any of those left by next May.
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LOL @ suing over mileage discrepancy. Who are you going to sue? PO? On a 16 year old car?
You took possession of the vehicle as-is from the private party. If the car blew up after you drove it home, would you also try to sue the seller? In any private car sale, once money and keys change hands- the car is yours and so are the problems.
And seriously, 72k km or 107k km on the 16 year old car is nothing;42k miles or 60k miles, either way you car was a garage queen. If you had a discrepancy of 42k miles and 242k miles I could see that as being a bit of a bummer.
You took possession of the vehicle as-is from the private party. If the car blew up after you drove it home, would you also try to sue the seller? In any private car sale, once money and keys change hands- the car is yours and so are the problems.
And seriously, 72k km or 107k km on the 16 year old car is nothing;42k miles or 60k miles, either way you car was a garage queen. If you had a discrepancy of 42k miles and 242k miles I could see that as being a bit of a bummer.
It's a limited edition, 40th AE car, with a sketchy history now. I guess bend over is fine with you folks.

<edit forgot. How does a garage queen accumulate 2800 engine hours? I guess at 38KPH. ooooookkkkkkk >
Suing for damages makes no sense to me. Suing to get the transaction reversed - if you can prove it was made under false pretenses - makes sense if you want to get rid of this car and find one without a story.
Car in question will still be sketchy regardless of whether you get $900 (or whatever the value difference is between the high and low mileage numbers) back, assuming you are able to prove that the mileage was misrepresented.
Car in question will still be sketchy regardless of whether you get $900 (or whatever the value difference is between the high and low mileage numbers) back, assuming you are able to prove that the mileage was misrepresented.
If you're not happy give the seller a chance to give your money back. If you don't want to do that then just enjoy it. I realize you would have been happier if there was no mystery about the mileage but unfortunately that will never be.
Personally I would never buy a car from Quebec. There is too much funny business with used cars in that province. However, I don't think this one is anything to worry about. Considering it is 16 years old, that is acceptable mileage (why don't we say kilometerage?) If it makes you feel better, mine had about 4 previous owners, spend time in NJ and Ohio and Florida, and has 135,000 KMs on it and runs like a champ. 20k is not a bad price for a '99 nowadays in Canada. Just drive it.
I love the Québécois..but since you asked...QC is sort of known for washed titles, odometer rollbacks, and salvage getting put back on the market. If you check auto trader.ca QC cars are always less $ than the rest of the country. Again, all circumstantial, but I would be careful. This could be an example. OP probably has a perfectly good car and a good PPI will figure this all out if done prior to purchase. profiter de la voiture!
https://rennlist.com/forums/rennlist...in-quebec.html
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I see the OP has put the car up for sale, so I guess he is parting ways. He is declaring / mentioning the odo discrepancy in his ad, which is a good honest step on his part. GLWS! And I hope you land another one soon.
I would bet a beer (with the OP, not everyone on RL!) that the current odometer is reading in MILES, not KM. A photo of the odometer would be really helpful.
The last recorded odometer reading of 107,000 km was in 2012, 2+ years ago. That converts to something like 66K+ miles. Another 6K miles in 2+ years is pretty consistent with the car's use and would put the mileage to something around 72K miles.
You can easily change the odometer reading between miles and KM, and my guess is that someone did this along the way somewhere, probably inadvertently.
The last recorded odometer reading of 107,000 km was in 2012, 2+ years ago. That converts to something like 66K+ miles. Another 6K miles in 2+ years is pretty consistent with the car's use and would put the mileage to something around 72K miles.
You can easily change the odometer reading between miles and KM, and my guess is that someone did this along the way somewhere, probably inadvertently.
I would bet a beer (with the OP, not everyone on RL!) that the current odometer is reading in MILES, not KM. A photo of the odometer would be really helpful.
The last recorded odometer reading of 107,000 km was in 2012, 2+ years ago. That converts to something like 66K+ miles. Another 6K miles in 2+ years is pretty consistent with the car's use and would put the mileage to something around 72K miles.
You can easily change the odometer reading between miles and KM, and my guess is that someone did this along the way somewhere, probably inadvertently.
The last recorded odometer reading of 107,000 km was in 2012, 2+ years ago. That converts to something like 66K+ miles. Another 6K miles in 2+ years is pretty consistent with the car's use and would put the mileage to something around 72K miles.
You can easily change the odometer reading between miles and KM, and my guess is that someone did this along the way somewhere, probably inadvertently.
As much as I want to punch most people who mention Occam's Razor, what's more likely - that someone rolled back the mileage on a 996 (which, despite our protestations, isn't going to be worth 10X as much with slightly lower miles), or the car was displaying KMs and someone mistook it for miles...
If the instrument cluster was upholstered in a different color than the rest of the car, sure, maybe it was swapped out, but...
If the instrument cluster was upholstered in a different color than the rest of the car, sure, maybe it was swapped out, but...


