Don 928 King, like all 928 drivers, has got some leather skin after taking abuse for driving a 928 for so many years. 928 drivers are not as SENSITIVE as some others driving chick cars...

 

Sure 415hp as a number, doesn't compete with the big boys, but, the TT still beats all comers even with their higher hp. I could be missing something but, I do not know of 1 car that outperforms the TT for the price. In the TT we have a car that runs with the murcielago, 360, 575, and all other exotics at a fraction of the price. And please do not bring up the Viper or Z06

-Lou

 

The reason Porsche and pretty much every other manufacturer does not disclose details of new cars and release dates is because it would cripple their already anemic dealer network. If you knew exact dates and specs on a car, people would wait and interest in the existing model or interum model(997) would be nil

-Lou

 

I see as many 996 as M3 if not more and definitely more than the E55.

I see alot more boxsters than either of those two!

Also I doubt a 996 TT (stock) can compete with a murciealago.

 

I have found the same to be true regarding car sightings. Check out R/T recent 0-100-0 tests. The 911ttx50 beat the murcielago in every test. Looking back at the numbers posted, the TT(stock) beats or equals its numbers to.

Doublenutz---I know this wasn't your point, but the M3 weighs 3415lbs unladen

-Lou

 

Fyi. Although the car listed is the X50 version, you will notice the 993 turbo has a better time than the murcielago which would only mean the 996turbo would be even faster.


Ranking Manufacturer Model Year tested 0-100-0
time, sec

1. Kawasaki ZX-9R 1994 11.5
Ferrari Enzo 2003, tested independently 11.7
Porsche 911 Turbo 2003 13.5
2. Development Porsche Performance 911 Turbo 1996 13.7
Dodge Viper SRT-10 2003 13.9
3. Porsche 911 Turbo 1996 14.0
Lamborghini Murciélago 2003 14.2
Saleen S7 2003 14.3
4. HKS Toyota Supra Turbo 1996 14.7
Ferrari 575M Maranello 2003 14.8
5. Vortech Ford Mustang GT 1996 14.9
6. Dodge Viper GTS 1996 15.0
Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 2003 15.0
Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG 2003 15.1
7. Aston Martin Vantage 600 1999 16.3
Audi RS 6 2003 16.3
8. Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6 1994 16.4
9. Ferrari F355 1999, tested independently 17.1
10. Shelby Cobra 427 S/C 1994 17.1
11. Mercedes-Benz SL600 1996 17.2
12. Dodge Viper RT/10 1994 17.2
13. Aston Martin DB7 Vantage 1999 17.3
14. Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1 1994 17.3
15. Caterham 7 Superlight R 1999 17.4
16. Chevrolet Corvette LT4 Collector Edition 1996 17.4
17. Ferrari 512TR 1994 17.5
18. Jaguar XKR 1999 17.6
19. Chevrolet Corvette C5 1999, tested independently 17.7
20. Lotus Elise Sport 190 1999 17.9

 

That's amazing. Where are you getting this data? Do you have times for the GT2?

 

The more I think about this I find these numbers highly suspect. If I remember correctly the saleen s7 has a 0-100 somewhere in teh 6-7 second range. It has 600-700 horsepower, costs multiple hundreds of dollars, and is very light and full of carbon fiber. Granted the above are you telling me the saleen S7 takes as long or longer to decelerate from 100-0 as it does to accelerate from 0-100? If that is the case why would they put such crappy brakes on a car costing hundreds of thousands of dollars? Porsche latest greatest hot **** brake package costs $8,000. Are you telling me they couldn't have raised the price just $5,000 and added some atelast mediocre brakes? The same goes for the lamborghini and many of others. Where's the mclaren F1 on this list?

Was the porsche 911 TT tested at sea level at 50F while the others were tested in denver on a 100 degree day?

What gives these numbers don't add up one bit.

Where would the GT3 rank in there? I don't know it's 100-0 time but for 0-100 I have seen anywhere from 8.8 to 9.4 seconds claimed.

 

Well Lou you are simply then- "head in the sand" on that because the Z06 and the Viper are incredible competitors to the twin turbo. In fact, in a recent Road and Track evaluation they out performed the TT skid pad, braking, 0-60 and the Viper even in handling! The ranking in the end was 1st Place to the Viper, Second to the TT, and third the Z06 but the TT narrowly beat it.

Additionally for that price point the Mercs AMG 55 is a really sniffing at the exhaust pipe (literally) of the TT.

Also, in my humble opine, I really love Porsche but to put the 575 Maranello, and a Lambo Murcielago (even at their price points)in class with the TT is simply absurd...GT2 maybe but, nope... no way... no how is a TT is in class with those cars.

 

Exactly where did this come from?

 

Getting back to Don's point about variety in the porsche lineup, the 911 (yeah 993, 996) and all its variants are still the same looking vehicle and have been for 40 years. Look at the anniversary page. And thats not bad. I like seeing them on the road very much, but it would be like a chevy dealer with only vettes for sale distinguished by cupholders on the console or armrests. An updated 928 would be great and so wouldn't a 745/e55 competitor. They have found a market. How long can porsche survive with the same design being bumped by a little hp and different headlights.
Oh and Scott your old man has class. The 928 has the best styling bar none.

Tom

___________
1985 928s2

 

Is this the new viper? The only problem is both these cars drive like the american peices of junk they are. Fit and finish is horrible, driver ergnomics sucks. It just doesn't feel like a porsche. I'd take a boxster over either.


As for merc 55 - how can you compare when you can only get it in automatic, how boring.

 

www.roadandtrack.com. Regarding my comparison to the exotics, I simply was trying to show that the Turbo has better performance at a much cheaper price. Now would I rather have those other cars, of coarse.

-Lou

MBE55AMG, no comparison, slush box, autobaun cruiser, handles worse than outgoing old model M5.

Z06- come on, most mags have shown it to have performance in the mid 4's 0-60 and slower quarter mile time. The reason I said don't mention the Z06 or Viper was as a joke, not to actually say they are not viable sports cars in their own rights.

 

This underscores my position in the other thread if you actually think a saleen S7 is going to loose to a 911 TT....

 

The Saleen lost because it had no ABS (and also needed to get into 3rd to reach 100mph)

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....article_id=663