How Really Prone to Failure are they?
12-21-2014, 08:38 PM
#61
Rennlist Member
It's not like 996's are unique...
$8,000 Hondarubaru owners snap their timing belts all the time and instantly go to zero value.
Does driving a 996 offer twice the reward for twice the risk? For most people, no, which is why the sell more honarubaru's then Porsches.
$8,000 Hondarubaru owners snap their timing belts all the time and instantly go to zero value.
Does driving a 996 offer twice the reward for twice the risk? For most people, no, which is why the sell more honarubaru's then Porsches.
12-22-2014, 03:34 AM
#62
Rennlist Member
I was under the impression the M97 refers to the 3.8L, not a reference to all engines with later larger bearings. And I was also under the impression that the early 3.8L in the first of the '05 S's used the small single-row bearing. I quit my subscription to Excellence mainly because I read too many examples of mistakes and misinformation in their Tech section.
And I believe the 3.6 engines in the 997.1s (after a certain point in 2006) were also M97.
I agree with errors in Excellence mag though. In fact there is an error in the article that is being referenced here relating to the year M97 engines were used in 987 Caymans.
The important point here is to know what year(s) Porsches used the M97 (which have the larger bearing) because the rate of bearing failure in M97s is a fraction of the bearing failure of the mid-996 engines with single row bearings.
12-22-2014, 09:08 AM
#63
guys you are so lucky to be able to get the rollers for those 5K
in yurp (europe) I got mine with unknown diagnosis, but still a roller for 10+K euros and they don't get cheaper even if the catastrophical damage has set in 8000 ~ 9000 euros to start with
about replacement engines the dealer in europe tells that 13000 eur, + core (on condition your engine isn't completely blown to pieces, dunno how they determine that) and 19000 eur if it is completely wasted
+ labour sooo I believe it is much much cheaper to own a 996 in USA, (not concerning DIYers like myself)
in yurp (europe) I got mine with unknown diagnosis, but still a roller for 10+K euros and they don't get cheaper even if the catastrophical damage has set in 8000 ~ 9000 euros to start with
about replacement engines the dealer in europe tells that 13000 eur, + core (on condition your engine isn't completely blown to pieces, dunno how they determine that) and 19000 eur if it is completely wasted
+ labour
sooo I believe it is much much cheaper to own a 996 in USA, (not concerning DIYers like myself)
12-22-2014, 09:56 AM
#64
Former Vendor
No, M97s are not just the 3.8 engines. The 3.4 in the '06-'08 Caymans are M97s.
And I believe the 3.6 engines in the 997.1s (after a certain point in 2006) were also M97.
I agree with errors in Excellence mag though. In fact there is an error in the article that is being referenced here relating to the year M97 engines were used in 987 Caymans.
The important point here is to know what year(s) Porsches used the M97 (which have the larger bearing) because the rate of bearing failure in M97s is a fraction of the bearing failure of the mid-996 engines with single row bearings.
And I believe the 3.6 engines in the 997.1s (after a certain point in 2006) were also M97.
I agree with errors in Excellence mag though. In fact there is an error in the article that is being referenced here relating to the year M97 engines were used in 987 Caymans.
The important point here is to know what year(s) Porsches used the M97 (which have the larger bearing) because the rate of bearing failure in M97s is a fraction of the bearing failure of the mid-996 engines with single row bearings.
I see engines with an M97 designation frequently that have the M96 style IMSB factory fitted. These are 2005 only engines. It happens so much that I had to write an article about it for my customers with 05 vehicles that had IMSB questions.
Most writers in magazines are lost. They are "parrots" that are reading resource materials and rewriting things. Excellence had great tech articles when the late Jim Pasha was the writer, as well as the most former tech editor that left for Panorama, Tony Callas.
The magazines have to ensure they don't **** off readers, don't **** off advertisers (it's all about adverts to these magazine clowns, except for Pano) and that they don't **** off Porsche. Because if this the most direct and informative articles never make print. I know, I have been able to read many of them that were turned down.
Believe nothing of what you hear and only 1/2 of what you read. There's a good chance that the guy that wrote that article knows less than you do.
12-22-2014, 01:26 PM
#65
The magazines have to ensure they don't **** off readers, don't **** off advertisers (it's all about adverts to these magazine clowns, except for Pano) and that they don't **** off Porsche. Because if this the most direct and informative articles never make print. I know, I have been able to read many of them that were turned down.
Believe nothing of what you hear and only 1/2 of what you read. There's a good chance that the guy that wrote that article knows less than you do.
Believe nothing of what you hear and only 1/2 of what you read. There's a good chance that the guy that wrote that article knows less than you do.
12-22-2014, 02:56 PM
#66
That's true, but Top Gear still makes mistakes. In the 996 episode, Jeremy says the C4S has the same engine as the Turbo, but w/o the Turbos.