extanker

buy it for the cool sound it makes ???? po people beeezz funny

XR4Tim

Perhaps they just don't see the value of paying to dyno their car after they already spent the money on the part. Two runs is not going to be sufficient to verify anything. Will the time and cost be worth it to verify that you made 12hp? Do you dyno your car before and after every part you install?

John@Fabspeed

In a perfect world, Fabspeed would hope that all potential customers saw everything on an even playing field, we obviously know that there are some instances where the world is truly not enough. To think that as a company, Fabspeed having invested tens of thousands of dollars into a product that takes months of engineering and testing only to fake the results and to have them easily debunked by a private dyno is just plain silly.

In the same breath, if Fabspeed wanted to be cut rate, they could have hired a regular person to do my job. But, they didn't. They decided to hire me with my degree in High Performance Automotive Technology including extensive knowledge of mechanical theories, hands on engine building, dyno testing, product testing etc.

It is in MY best interest (as a true enthusiast for performance cars) and in the companies best interest to help provide quality products for quality cars. The best part of my job is being able to help people complete their projects and make their cars unique to their own preference. Helping provide you guys not only with great products but also with a memorable, easy and pleasurable experience when dealing with myself (As a spokesman for Fabspeed) is very gratifying for me and is the best part of my job.

The door is always open here at Fabspeed for visitors and my phone is always right by my side, so never hesitate to call and ask for Evan if you would like to chat, I am ALWAYS open to talk cars (ask my girlfriend, she never hears the end of it).

Evan

BiteEmNBeatEm

Evan, that right there is an educated response and shows your professionalism.
You guys have a good looking product, its much nicer than the (*&*) cold air intake that I had on my car a few years ago that always had my cel come on. Not only does your product look great but it has proven results.

alpine003

This can go back and forth with no end. As I've said before google manometer airflow test. You don't need a dyno for that and eliminates all the variables that come with dyno testing.

I've been slacking on modifying my "twin" intake, partly because I have two other very capable intakes that do the job just as well.

RRocket

So if someone purchased your product and dyno tested it and it didn't come close to your numbers, would you refund their money? Is that the level of confidence you have in your product?

pmkazz

Best statement on this subject!!!! Thank you.....

RRocket

Some of us have real-time OBD II monitors. Couldn't we just look at the mass air flow rate to see if a freer flowing filter/intake is doing anything?

XR4Tim

I know what a manometer test is. The problem is that few people care how much an intake flows. They care about the bottom line - does it bring more power out of the engine? If your intake flows 10 times as much as stock, but the throttle body is the restriction, it's not going to mean anything. This is why I feel that dyno testing, when done properly, is the better measure for a performance intake.

fpena944

Not going to take sides here but I do respect you vendors for having to put up with so much skepticism and handling it professionally.

I have one of your 200 cell cats and have been very happy with it so far. It was less expensive than the stock equivalent, looks better, sounds better, and although I may be mistaken does make my car feel a little more peppy. Granted I've not done any baseline or "after" testing but I feel it was a worthwhile investment.

Thank you for your continued support in the 996 community.

hotelguy

I too have the Fabspeed 200 cell cats x pipe...and yes it does sound great and guess what...more HP too. Haters are going to hate no matter what.
Any stock air box can be improved, in fact almost anything car related can improved imho.

alpine003

So then you do know that when properly setup, you're not really measuring air flow per se but the actual pressure drop in the system, correct? And you do know what you can ascertain by the pressure drop readings, right?

John@Fabspeed

2 orders deposited. There is limited space for this sale, so if I have PM'ed you or you have further interest, please make sure to call and place the $50 deposit so I can guarantee our spot and lock in the price point.

Thanks for the support!

Evan

alpine003

Using a manometer will produce more accurate and targeted results than a MAF reading but a MAF can still measure the system as a whole and give you a general more broader indication(better than a butt dyno for sure).

First off a MAF measures a few different things instead of isolating just the pressure. It measures the total amount of air by sensing the air, velocity, temp, and even humidity all at one time.

MAF measures the whole system so if you want to know what a particular intake pipe or filter does itself, you can't just isolate that part. Since it measures the whole system, anything downstream can also affect it's readings(headers for example) so it would be nearly impossible to just isolate just the effects of a intake.

There are other factors too but these are the main points.

Joe@Fabspeed

Hi Guys

It is Joe Fabiani the president of Fabspeed Motorsport a PCA member since 1986. Our thin walled carbon fiber competition air-intake system FLAT out works as advertised. The POWER that you see on the Dyno graph is 100% untouched and uncorrected and NOT tampered with. Fabspeed Motorsport has a DYNO Jet 424 XlC with linksys and an Automated Weather staion so NOTHING is inputted for Dyno results.

History:

I personallydeveloped a 996 airbox upgrade kit over 14 years ago that makes power on all NA 996 cars by increasing airflow through the stock airbox. I made a silicone 4 ply hose and a 996 airbox MUFFLER eliminator. Dyno tested by many independent shops. I sold and supplied these simple 996 OEM Porsche airbox performance upgrade kits to several front running and winning Grand Am Koni/Continental teams.

These engines are air pumps and just want to breathe freely. The Fabspeed parts worked. Real Racers and especially Pro-racers typically dont mention any advantages they have found in terms of decreased Lap-times from power and chassis improvements.

LATER>
Several Grand Am Porsche 996/997 Professional Koni-Continental racers had sloppily welded up various J pipes and Y pipes in stainless steel and aluminum and had good meaningful results on the Dyno and on the RACE-track.

Fabspeed Motorsport CNC mandrel bent several of these J & Y pipe competition air-intake systems for Racers and Fabspeed then Dyno developed, road and race tested the J & Y pipes. Each and every 996/997/997.2 car picked up serious power and great sports car sound. Even on a stock 996/997 the addition of the intake system made the car sound awesome.

Bottomline -- Racers had a significant performance advantage over any and all Porsche cars running stock OEM airboxes. OEM closed Porsche airboxes are designed to minimize Induction Noise and KEEP the overall cars acoustic signature muted and quiet. European Swiss noise regulations are the driving forces when OEM car manufacturers design these cars.

Furthermore, Porsche and others always leave ROOM for increased power in the engine department so $17,000 X51 engine upgrades can be sold during typical 5 year Porsche 911 model year spans. FYI- the Fabspeed Y pipe competition inttake outperforms the 997 X51 airbox and the 997.2 stock airbox.

Come on 993 285HP, 1996 296 HP, 2002 996 + HP 2005 997S 355HP, .....Porsche wants you to keep trading up to newer +25HP stronger cars every 3 to 5 years. Its a moneymaking marketing sales exercise.

FINALLY-
The Fabspeed 996/997 competition Y airtake kit was Solidworks CAD modeled and flowed and we 3D printed several versions in-house and the we incrementally Dyno developed and tested everything.

Once the final Fabspeed 996/997 competition Y pipe air-intake design was finalized I contracted for billet CNC aluminum tooling so the parts could be produced in thin walled smooth carbon fiber for strength, beauty, and ability to not absorb heat. Fabspeed designed a carbon fiber heat shield to block any potential heat and clean up the engine bay. We truly did everything possible to maximize horse and sports car sound. The systems comes with everything needed for installtion and Fabspeed has detailed Video installation instructions. This is NOT a rotomoulded thick walled ABS plastic POS system.

The bootomline is that the Fabspeed Competition air-intake is simple to install and is a very cost effective performance parts that provides significant power and torque is all across the RPM band.

You are all cordially invited to come by our facility to see these systems for yourselves. We even Dyno developed these carbon fiber competition air-intake for 996 GT3, 997 GT3 and 991 n/a cars and have had good results.