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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 01:15 PM
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Super Sports have not been around long enough to be too old (5+ years)

Tire noise is caused by irregular/uneven tread wear.
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by knfeparty
I've had two sets of BFG KDW2s, and while they are inexpensive and have great wet and dry grip, they are extremely loud due to the large tread blocks.
yeah, had a set of those on my wife's infinity and I thought the wheel bearing was shot given the horrible road noise. Changed to Falken FK452 and was much better.

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I have a very similar set up as yours (19" RG5s and 295/30 rears), note that those rears are too tall for the car.

285/30 should be the max to stay within normal margin, but 275/30 would be even closer to the stock 285/30/18.
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 05:14 PM
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Here's how to read your tire date: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=11

In my opinion age is just as hard on tires as wear. On several occasions I've purchased cars with good tire tread (tires like new!) only to find that they are old and hard as a rock. Porsches are especially prone to this, because they tend to be extra cars. Pilots are normally pretty good tires and the larger than normal size shouldn't make them louder, though it can cause some other issues. I suspect that a new set of properly sized tires on your wheels would make a world of difference. Or you could sell the Champion wheels on the forums for some seriously nice coin, buy some OEM 18" wheels, and have money to spare. Technically Porsche only approves up to 18" wheels on the 996, though lots of folks go bigger.
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by onewhippedlittlepuppy
Here's how to read your tire date: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=11

In my opinion age is just as hard on tires as wear. On several occasions I've purchased cars with good tire tread (tires like new!) only to find that they are old and hard as a rock. Porsches are especially prone to this, because they tend to be extra cars. Pilots are normally pretty good tires and the larger than normal size shouldn't make them louder, though it can cause some other issues. I suspect that a new set of properly sized tires on your wheels would make a world of difference. Or you could sell the Champion wheels on the forums for some seriously nice coin, buy some OEM 18" wheels, and have money to spare. Technically Porsche only approves up to 18" wheels on the 996, though lots of folks go bigger.
Thank you sir...very helpful.
These were made in May of 2011...so there's that.

The wheels look awesome, so I may keep them but also source some OEM 18's as well.

Thank you very much for the help and advice.
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by onewhippedlittlepuppy
Here's how to read your tire date: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=11

Pilots are normally pretty good tires and the larger than normal size shouldn't make them louder, though it can cause some other issues..
I can confirm from my Cayenne experience that in the same tyre model 295/35/21 are significantly noisier than 275/45/19.
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Byprodriver
Super Sports have not been around long enough to be too old (5+ years)

Tire noise is caused by irregular/uneven tread wear.
That was my thought too...
I'll take a close-up of the tread on the fronts tomorrow, maybe you experts can tell me what you think. I'm fairly illiterate about wheels/tires. The local tire shop said the wear looked ok and basically suggested I just deal with it. I drove the car tonight...Godallmighty, I see why you guys love Porsches. (I thought my M3 was tight...wow, not even close)
In any case, the noise is almost a dealbreaker on these wheels/tires, so I humbly ask for your opinions when I post some close-ups of the wear pattern.
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 6ta1
yeah, had a set of those on my wife's infinity and I thought the wheel bearing was shot given the horrible road noise. Changed to Falken FK452 and was much better.

OP,
I have a very similar set up as yours (19" RG5s and 295/30 rears), note that those rears are too tall for the car.

285/30 should be the max to stay within normal margin, but 275/30 would be even closer to the stock 285/30/18.
Thank you sir.
I have a lot to learn, waiting for my Bentley manual to show up so I can read it on the transcons I'll be flying next week.
I have to admit, I love the look of all that meat under the car, but dayum...the noise is deafening.
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 11:37 PM
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Did they check for balancing, or to see if you have a tire out of round...any vibration at the wheel? Finally, how long did the car sit for sale? You may have developed a flat spot on one or more of the tires, etc...but as the others have mentioned, it's possible it's just tread pattern/wear on your specific ride.

Congrats, and welcome!

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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 11:44 PM
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I have a 99 C2 with 19" champion 3 pc version of the RG5 wheels with Michelin 245-35s on the front and my tires aren't noisy at all.
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Invius
Did they check for balancing, or to see if you have a tire out of round...any vibration at the wheel? Finally, how long did the car sit for sale? You may have developed a flat spot on one or more of the tires, etc...but as the others have mentioned, it's possible it's just tread pattern/wear on your specific ride.

Congrats, and welcome!

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Thanks man-

No idea how long it sat. based on the Carfax, the dealer had it about a month, I think.
I should have stated: no pull or shimmy in the steering wheel, at all. None. It drives like a slot-car, and pulls like a train...but the tire noise....ugh.
I'll figure it out...my wife absolutely LOVES it, and says the noise is ok with her.

It's not ok, it's horrendous...but I'm confident we'll get it sorted sooner or later.

Thanks guys for all the help...sorry for the noobish questions.
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by RDykmans
I have a 99 C2 with 19" champion 3 pc version of the RG5 wheels with Michelin 245-35s on the front and my tires aren't noisy at all.
Hmmm...so my first bite at the apple may be some new fronts. There is no getting around the tire noise I have right now....with what looks like good treadwear and life left.
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TSMacNeil
That was my thought too...
I'll take a close-up of the tread on the fronts tomorrow, maybe you experts can tell me what you think. I'm fairly illiterate about wheels/tires. The local tire shop said the wear looked ok and basically suggested I just deal with it. I drove the car tonight...Godallmighty, I see why you guys love Porsches. (I thought my M3 was tight...wow, not even close)
In any case, the noise is almost a dealbreaker on these wheels/tires, so I humbly ask for your opinions when I post some close-ups of the wear pattern.
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No need for that, we probably won't see anything. You may not see anything either, but if it's bad enough to hear you can feel it.

Park you car & turn the steering wheel all the way to one side. Hose off the tread surface & look for uneven wear especially the inside edge. Feel the tread from side to side. If it's flat & smooth from side to side check the rear tires.
I bet the inside edge is worn on 1 or more tires due to improper alignment.
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 12:28 AM
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We don't know how sensitive you are to noise, considering you also indicated the wife thought the noise was acceptable. Best thing to do as someone suggested is to drive another 996 with the same tire and sizes or at the least drive another 996 for apples to oranges and see if there is a big difference.

I'm not really sure how much any of us can really diagnose anything from just pics.
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by alpine003
We don't know how sensitive you are to noise, considering you also indicated the wife thought the noise was acceptable. Best thing to do as someone suggested is to drive another 996 with the same tire and sizes or at the least drive another 996 for apples to oranges and see if there is a big difference.

I'm not really sure how much any of us can really diagnose anything from just pics.
I know...you're 100% correct. I'm not new to enthusiast sites...so I know how dumb this all looks. That, in itself, bothers me.
As for my wifes' considerations of the car: she's never sat her **** in a car this nice...save for my M3. She wouldn't complain if it bit her *** off.
Truth.
That said, I'm not completely ignorant about cars: this is extraordinarily loud tire noise.
I am plugged in to the BMW network, but not the Porsche network, so I am looking for a guy in Phoenix.
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Old Dec 9, 2013 | 11:03 PM
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Congratulations on your purchase! The car looks great.
I have extra wide RG5's myself, and know all about Michelin Pilot Super Sport noise.
You can solve your noise problem with the Pirelli PZero Corsa System, but it's quite expensive.
Not only the price of the tires, but the constant replacement of the rear tires due to wear.
Expect 7,000 miles for rear tires, 15,000 for front tires.
I stuck with the Pilot Super Sports (325/30/19 + 265/35/19) for the street and use Toyo Proxy R-888s (335/30/18 + 245/40/18) for the track (I have a wide body 2003 C4S).
Getting a perfect alignment will help a lot. Recommend "guru level" alignment before making a final decision. It was enough for me to decide to stick with the Michelin Pilot Super Sports.
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