New Member, possibly moving from M3 to a 996 soon...
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I wouldn't go one dime above $20,000. Not even if the Queen of England herself once owned it. With 122,000 miles on the clock. BUT BUT BUT the fact that it has aero kit, has heated seats and is a C4 doesn't make any difference to me at all. If it was a cab I would say $25000. Hey if you like it then go for it because you will get all kinds of different prices from us guys.
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As for this car in particular, the seller just got back to me and it seems to be really well maintained, and will come with some goodies...
• KW V1 coilovers
• GT3 swaybars (front and rear with adjustable droplinks)
• GT3 lower control arms
• GT3 brake ducts
• X-51 oil pan
• 997 shifter
• Evoms intake
• GMG WC rollbar (rear seats are currently removed but included)
I've always been told within the BMW community that mods do not add to the value of a car. Same rules apply here?
The seller is super knowledgeable, I feel good now having spoken to him. He's a real Porsche nut.
The seller just lowered the price down to 22k, which leads me to believe theres some wiggle room in the price. Although I will know better once I get a good look at it in person. All of the added goodies do make this pretty enticing.
Keep the tips coming guys.
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How many miles on your M3?
A car that has over 100k will not only need more work, but also be worn more inside - seats get worn more, carpet, leather, steering wheel, etc.
Why not look for a lower mile car??
A car that has over 100k will not only need more work, but also be worn more inside - seats get worn more, carpet, leather, steering wheel, etc.
Why not look for a lower mile car??
#19
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KW V1s are decent but its the cheapest in their lineup.
Mods don't add value. It helps selling the car to the right buyer with similar intentions. Roll bar is a sign that this is a tracked car. Make sure maintenance records reflect a tracked car maintenance and not at street car intervals.
Mods don't add value. It helps selling the car to the right buyer with similar intentions. Roll bar is a sign that this is a tracked car. Make sure maintenance records reflect a tracked car maintenance and not at street car intervals.
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For reference, my M3...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/102256928@N08/9811500883/http://www.flickr.com/photos/102256928@N08/9811500883/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/102256928@N08/, on Flickr
And the 996 in question...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/102256928@N08/10297952983/http://www.flickr.com/photos/102256928@N08/10297952983/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/102256928@N08/, on Flickr
A little off topic, but how does the C4 drive compared to the rear drive 911's? Lots more understeer or just more available grip? I'm wondering if you can still break the tail loose with the C4. I do enjoy a little controlled slide from time to time.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/102256928@N08/9811500883/http://www.flickr.com/photos/102256928@N08/9811500883/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/102256928@N08/, on Flickr
And the 996 in question...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/102256928@N08/10297952983/http://www.flickr.com/photos/102256928@N08/10297952983/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/102256928@N08/, on Flickr
A little off topic, but how does the C4 drive compared to the rear drive 911's? Lots more understeer or just more available grip? I'm wondering if you can still break the tail loose with the C4. I do enjoy a little controlled slide from time to time.
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KW V1s are decent but its the cheapest in their lineup.
Mods don't add value. It helps selling the car to the right buyer with similar intentions. Roll bar is a sign that this is a tracked car. Make sure maintenance records reflect a tracked car maintenance and not at street car intervals.
Mods don't add value. It helps selling the car to the right buyer with similar intentions. Roll bar is a sign that this is a tracked car. Make sure maintenance records reflect a tracked car maintenance and not at street car intervals.
#23
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Devil's advocate; I would rather have an M3 as a DD...I have an e46 325Ci that I DD and take on long trips over my 996 all the time. A lot more room for people and cargo, better stereo, and more comfortable. Not to mention the tire budget for a 996 is a lot more expensive than an M3. But for the real driving on track and at autocross...the 996 is where it's at.
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That does look like a nice 996 to be sure, regardless of miles. Good news about the 996 4wd drive system is that it is entirely mechanical, so if you get tired of the extra weight, you can just unbolt the thing and drive the car as a 2wd for a bit. Guys do it to turbos; there's a thread on here somewhere showing a DIY...
I don't think I would want to replace an m3 with that car, though. Can you afford to keep both?
I don't think I would want to replace an m3 with that car, though. Can you afford to keep both?
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You guys aren't helping me make a decision. I'm beginning to rethink selling the ///M.
#26
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Looks similar to mine... 2003 C2. Bought it with 101,000 miles. Paid about $21 K, but then did a bunch of preventative maintenance. It was all "optional" PM, but was rather expensive.
Whether or not the mods add value... I think that's BS to say they don't. Of course, they will never add value in the amount that they cost. But, if they are mods you want, then they should add value to the buyer. If they are irrelevant mods, then maybe not so much. That's the thing about mods, they have different value to different people. The point is, use them as a bargaining tool.
I really like the aero kit on the car you are looking at.
Whether or not the mods add value... I think that's BS to say they don't. Of course, they will never add value in the amount that they cost. But, if they are mods you want, then they should add value to the buyer. If they are irrelevant mods, then maybe not so much. That's the thing about mods, they have different value to different people. The point is, use them as a bargaining tool.
I really like the aero kit on the car you are looking at.
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The mileage for rear tires won't be much worse, but the price for 285 width tires will be.
I love the 996 but if I could only have one, I would pick even my 325Ci over the 996, even though the 996 is way sportier. I don't think it's worth the premium you'll pay selling the M3 and then getting into a 996.
What I would do if I was you is keep the M3 and get a 944, which is another fun, "cheap" Porsche.
I love the 996 but if I could only have one, I would pick even my 325Ci over the 996, even though the 996 is way sportier. I don't think it's worth the premium you'll pay selling the M3 and then getting into a 996.
What I would do if I was you is keep the M3 and get a 944, which is another fun, "cheap" Porsche.
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There is no better bang for the buck (Porsche-wise) than a 944. I would recommend an '89 or newer, preferably a 944S2.
I started out with 944s (3 of them over a period of years). Even though I now have a 996 Cab and a Cayman, I actually still miss the 944s.
#29
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The 996 is a better cruiser car than dual purpose car. The oiling system on the M96 is crap whereas your M3 already has dual pickup sump and an oil cooler from the factory, big radiator, and a finned differential. Its a nearly a race drivetrain for the street. The M96 with a X51 pan is not even close to one. To try and match it you would need a L&N oil filter kit, 3rd radiator, motorsport AOS, IMS bearing, better pump, and pray your sleeves don't fail, crack, or heads crack.
50/50 balance on the M3 is also way easier to drive at the limit than the 996 on track.
50/50 balance on the M3 is also way easier to drive at the limit than the 996 on track.
#30
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The 996 is a better cruiser car than dual purpose car. The oiling system on the M96 is crap whereas your M3 already has dual pickup sump and an oil cooler from the factory, big radiator, and a finned differential. Its a nearly a race drivetrain for the street. The M96 with a X51 pan is not even close to one. To try and match it you would need a L&N oil filter kit, 3rd radiator, motorsport AOS, IMS bearing, better pump, and pray your sleeves don't fail, crack, or heads crack.
50/50 balance on the M3 is also way easier to drive at the limit than the 996 on track.
50/50 balance on the M3 is also way easier to drive at the limit than the 996 on track.