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Old 05-31-2013, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Throttle
...Camero...
Camero = Carrara

Old 05-31-2013, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Capt. Obvious
Chevrolet Corvette (all years) - Permanent mullet syndrome
One of the few cars I considered instead of my 996 was a C5 Z06... Great car, but in the end I decided I had too few gold chains and too much hair to own one.
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Originally Posted by Imo000
"......*can leave a car financially unrepairable" WTF is that supposed to mean?
Meaning it doesn't make economic sense to repair the car - the cost of the repair/replacement exceeds the value of the car. Unless you have a bottomless pit for a wallet and money is no object... Although I think you knew that : )
Old 06-01-2013, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by KNS
Meaning it doesn't make economic sense to repair the car - the cost of the repair/replacement exceeds the value of the car. Unless you have a bottomless pit for a wallet and money is no object... Although I think you knew that : )
I never heard anyone describe that with financially unrepairable. As a matter of fact, never saw the two words used together, period. Was this your invention?
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Not mine - I didn't say it.
Old 06-01-2013, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Capt. Obvious
All of the below issues are common to these cars and are many thousands of dollars to fix should they occur. EVERY car has something that could go wrong at any given time and cause a lot of expensive damage, the 996 is not unique in this.

B5 Audi S4 - Turbos
B6/B7 Audi S4 - Timing chain tensioners
Ford F-series with 6.0 Powerstroke - EGR valves/head gaskets/stretched head bolts
Dodge trucks - Transmissions
E36 BMW M3 - VANOS units, rear subframe mounts tearing out of chassis, "money shifts"
E46 BMW M3 - Same as above
Chevrolet Corvette (all years) - Permanent mullet syndrome
Any car with a timing belt - Unexplained belt snapping
Monsieur Obvious, your list only serves to prove my point. None of those problems renders the car essentially a total loss. They can be fixed. Expensive to be sure, but a catastrophe? No.
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Originally Posted by Imo000
I never heard anyone describe that with financially unrepairable. As a matter of fact, never saw the two words used together, period. Was this your invention?
I said it... And rather proud of the phrase now that y'all mention it.
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Makes perfect sense to me...
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One moment you are the proud owner of a $25K sports car, the next you are selling a rolling chassis for $4,000.
I have posted this before so Im glad someone agrees. This dilema is unique to the 996.
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One moment you are the proud owner of a $25K sports car, the next you are selling a rolling chassis for $4,000.
I have posted this before so Im glad someone agrees. This dilema is unique to the 996.
So much hyperbole, so few miles...


PS: If anybody has a nice 'rolling chassis' 996 with an IMS failure they want to sell for $4K, send them my way. I'd buy them at that price all day long.
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Originally Posted by pfbz
Camero = Carrara

A purposeful diss on Camaro. I'm a Corvatte guy.
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Originally Posted by KrazyK
I have posted this before so Im glad someone agrees. This dilema is unique to the 996.
No its not.
My beautiful 1989 honda civic si sustained a catastrophic engine failure due to a blown bearing on the timing belt tensioner. Sold it for $200 because it had a nice alpine cd player.
So .... back to the whole thing with cars that have timing belts being potential ticking time bombs. Seems that preventative maintenance helps reduce the possibility. Well, same thing with a bearing replacement every 100k km.
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I was firmly in the "The IMS issue is overblown hype" camp from day one. I think the number of failures are very low and of those, I think many are incorrectly diagnosed as IMS failures. However...when I did my clutch 2 months ago, I did the LNE Retrofit. In light of the recent Class Action Suit, I thought this would at a minimum help my resale value since more buyers are likely to become aware of the IMS issue.

I must confess that the little nagging paranoia, OCD checking for leaks and worrying about every little noise and vibration...that I never had...has gone away.

That alone is worth extra $1K.
Old 06-02-2013, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by KNS
Meaning it doesn't make economic sense to repair the car - the cost of the repair/replacement exceeds the value of the car. Unless you have a bottomless pit for a wallet and money is no object... Although I think you knew that : )
The people that truly love these cars spend the required money for engines more frequently than you'd think. Of the Porsches that we have on site now with their engines filling our build boards on 2-3 of them are actually "worth" more than the owner is spending on the engine. Oddly enough those are the guys who have done the work electively before they experienced any symptoms or a failure. These are generally the 06-08 cars, but we have many 99 and other early models populating those build boards, too. Every one of them (early cars) is worth less than the engine thats going into them, and you'll never see one of them for sale.

These vehicles are very robust and some people believe that you can't buy a new car thats built as well for the same money that our engine costs. Thats usually why people go the reconstructed engine route, because they want to keep the car for a long, long time.

When these cars lose their engines they become "bankrupt cars" instantly. A Porsche with a broken heart isn't very valuable.
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Actually any car with a broken engine isn't worth anything. Since the early 996s are getting cheap and the engines are very expensive, makes this some exciting times for the DIYer gearheads.


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