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385hp 0-60 in 4.1s $50k Can you feel it now?
Sorry I had to cheat hehe....no question a 3.8 will kick ***.

 

I know you said that you don't want to swap cars, but have you thought about a 996T?

 

whoa... that is the cheapest 997.2 ever seen for me

 

that's a lot of power... do you have a torque/hp curve you can post?

 

https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...jet-3-2-12.pdf

 

nice good torque from 3500-6500 rpm.... !! not that you need it but a good set of cams would really flatten out the top region but I don't know if it's worth the headache if any...

do you have high flow cats on that?

I know the GT3 torque is a little flatter and higher from 5000 and beyond ... but heck that's a $40K motor... the GT3 gears are also taller than the 996 which probably explains why you are keeping up in a strait line..

this thing must fly at the track... I bet you never shift above 6500 ??

 

The extra torque is great on the track. And yes, the car has 200 cell cats.

 

SAE corrected I assume?.... For a non-flashed ECU it's running pretty lean, almost too lean. Have you ever connected a PWIS and checked the ECU?

To OP: Phil is your car a 3.4 or 3.6? I ask because installing 3.8 sleeves & pistons with a 3.4 crank & rods gives you something like a 3.6+ but definitely not a 3.8. Very, very torquey though. My engine builder is building 3 of them right now and one's for me. Ask if you're interested in more details....

 

JR, can you be more specific regarding your lean comment? What are you seeing on the dyno sheet that makes you sugest the motor is running lean? I was not present when my builder did the dyno test. But, I can tell you the motor was completed a year ago and I've put over 8000 trouble free miles on it since completion.

When the motor was being built Logan aka Logray was also building his 3.4 to 3.6 upgrade. He felt he his motor was running lean and actually switched to 3.6 injectors. That got me thinking if I should switch to the 3.8 injectors. However, my mechanic said it wasnt necessary at that time. I would appreciate any insight you could offer on this subject.

 

One thing to consider is insurance. Should try to find an agreed or stated value policy to cover your investment in the engine.

 

JR,

My engine is a 3.6, but please share your information about your build and what it means in terms of parts being changed/upgraded and also cost.

Do you think any parts removed could be resold ? My engine works perfectly so may be the pistons have value for someone else...

 

Does not look lean to me, as a general rule most NA motors are aiming for around 14:1 Afr, FI cars closer to 12 to one or lower.On tip in cars are usually lean due to emissins and fatten up under WOT. I would get a custom tune though as i am sure you are leaving power on the table even from an optomized tuning perspective vs a set on kill tune. Nice numbers though!

 

Another plus to upgradeing the engine beyond what is available from the factory is the engine belongs to you. If the car is stolen usually it is recovered & even if it is wrecked &/or totaled you can transfer the engine to another car.

 

x2. Some tuners would rather leave a bigger safety margin on the table than others by getting as close to the 14.7:1 ratio as possible. Obviously, the closer you get the more risk but also more power. On the edge ragged tuning is more risky IMO on FI vehicles as you can blow your motor more easily than on NA. I personally wouldn't worry as long as you stay consistent with your gas and you plan on not making any more changes to your setup.

 

I think the 997.2s are going to surprise people.

The 991 feels like the 996 to me. They arent moving well and Porsche is doing, IMO, *unprecedented* lease deals on them - almost BMW level.

The 991 is bigger, and more clinical than ever, and has some visual cues that people seem to critique much like the 996 did.

I wouldnt say the 991 will be *as bad* as the 996 (thanks to the internet I think the 996 will go down as the worst valued 911 in history), but I don't think its going to put significant pressure on the 997.2 which very well may be seen as the "last traditional 911 that is modern yet doesnt blow up and isnt completely sanitized"

Time will tell, but I think there will be a big difference between 997.1 and 997.2 in value as a result of the massive and endless IMS FUD. Meanwhile, I suspect that the 996 will continue to depreciate at a quicker rate. In other words, whatever the "sell 996, buy 997.2" spread is now? By the time the 997.2 reaches whatever lower price point, I think the 996 will be even lower proportionately and that much harder to sell.

I grapple with this same question... Sometimes I think that ultimately I'd want either a turbo or a 997.2 and I frequently think that I should cut and run sooner rather than later and stay "Porscheless" until I can afford to make the jump. My *only* hope is that the 996 values at least level off. I had thought they were leveling but I'm not so sure lately.