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Originally Posted by fanny bay r1
(Post 10196889)
Being an Aerospace Engineer and and doing regular SOAP (oil analysis) on aircraft I'm surprised that anyone would be doing this trending on a car (and a $25-$30K one at that).
It seems a little nuts IMO, we do it on a/c due to the results of a failure costs lives and they do it in F1 as a 5 position grid penalty for an engine change is better that losing all the points in a race. Doing it at a periodicity of 3-5K miles on a car??????:banghead::banghead: Drive the damned thing or trade it in if your that nervous.
Originally Posted by fanny bay r1
(Post 10199319)
It's not the cost of the oil analysis that cost is immaterial - it's the driving an owner down a road of potential repairs that are both costly and potentially not required. It's incessant navel gazing that will more than likely direct you to undertake repairs that would have been fine if left alone - this is just my opinion you guys can do what you want but I don't believe it will save you a dime in the long run!!
More information is not always better!! |
Originally Posted by fanny bay r1
(Post 10199319)
It's not the cost of the oil analysis that cost is immaterial - it's the driving an owner down a road of potential repairs that are both costly and potentially not required. It's incessant navel gazing that will more than likely direct you to undertake repairs that would have been fine if left alone - this is just my opinion you guys can do what you want but I don't believe it will save you a dime in the long run!!
More information is not always better!! |
We have only "saved" one engine with UOA out of hundreds. Most of the time the issues manifest and go full circle within one oil service.
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Originally Posted by Flat6 Innovations
(Post 10199537)
We have only "saved" one engine with UOA out of hundreds. Most of the time the issues manifest and go full circle within one oil service.
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Originally Posted by alpine003
(Post 10199556)
Interesting. Any comment on the ratio of saves for the Guardian thus far? Just curious if people send you the car after getting an alert all the time or not, for inspection at least.
Unfortunately the system has turned into a "trade in alert". Not what we had hoped for or had expected. |
Originally Posted by Flat6 Innovations
(Post 10199537)
We have only "saved" one engine with UOA out of hundreds. Most of the time the issues manifest and go full circle within one oil service.
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You guys misunderstood me. I was saying we have carried out hundreds of UOA and one engine saw elevated levels and was caught in time and saved before failure. That doesn't mean that the other engines have failed because the majority have not and some of those hundreds were multiple samples of the same engine.
Issues progress quickly. I use UOA an particulate evaluations during development more than anything. |
Thanks for the clarification, Jake.
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Originally Posted by Flat6 Innovations
(Post 10199577)
Too many of those who have received an IMS Alert have pulled the system out and traded the car off to fail on someone else.
Unfortunately the system has turned into a "trade in alert". Not what we had hoped for or had expected. |
Exactly what would also happen with oil analysis!!:cheers:
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Both valid points that many of us more honorable owners also never thought of, as we think about what it takes to keep our Porsche, but in hindsight, for the average Joe, it's obvious, isn't it? Bad consecutive oil reports, or IMS alert that metal is present, but it still runs fine, just change the oil and filter, and trade it in. I mean, in the used car market, that's almost the American way, isn't it?
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I think it's a point that's worth its own debate. I fail to see it as a point for NOT doing UOAs.
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Just got my UOA back
61,700 miles (4.5K on Mob 1 0W40) Copper down from 23 to 14 (since last year with 4700 miles on Mob 1) Iron down from 13 to10 Nothing else unusual .... Looks like i might have spotted RMS or AOS leak however while I was under there - going to watch that carefully and then decide what to do .... |
Originally Posted by targa996
(Post 10283909)
Just got my UOA back
61,700 miles (4.5K on Mob 1 0W40) Copper down from 23 to 14 (since last year with 4700 miles on Mob 1) Iron down from 13 to10 Nothing else unusual .... Looks like i might have spotted RMS or AOS leak however while I was under there - going to watch that carefully and then decide what to do .... |
Originally Posted by fanny bay r1
(Post 10196889)
Being an Aerospace Engineer and and doing regular SOAP (oil analysis) on aircraft I'm surprised that anyone would be doing this trending on a car (and a $25-$30K one at that).
It seems a little nuts IMO, we do it on a/c due to the results of a failure costs lives and they do it in F1 as a 5 position grid penalty for an engine change is better that losing all the points in a race. Doing it at a periodicity of 3-5K miles on a car??????:banghead::banghead: Drive the damned thing or trade it in if your that nervous. |
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