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Which leads me to wonder if Imo000 off the shelf bearing is what Pelican is selling. Anyone have any way to find out? Curious if Casper Labs/Pelican/Imo000 all are using the same bearing. I can't imagine there would be too many bearing manufacturers for that type of specific bearing, but I could be wrong.
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Which leads me to wonder if Imo000 off the shelf bearing is what Pelican is selling. Anyone have any way to find out? Curious if Casper Labs/Pelican/Imo000 all are using the same bearing. I can't imagine there would be too many bearing manufacturers for that type of specific bearing, but I could be wrong.
Also note that the snap ring holding the bearing does nothing. The original design inherently holds the bearing in place. If there was a failure due to a snap ring not being there, their design must not be very good. If you look at the original design from Porsche, you would see that the snap ring would have been just to hold the assembly together until installed. Once installed, the bearing cannot migrate as it it held in place on one side by the intermediate shaft and on the other by the housing bolted into the case. This is frequently done when one manufacturer makes an assembly and ships it elsewhere to be installed.
That's not what he said. He said the patentability would have been reduced if they let it out what they were doing. This could mean anything. Specifically worded vaguely to invoke confusion. I suspect that they had a lot of the original design in stock and needed to move it so they wouldn't be stuck with it. Specially if they stopped using the single row 'for months now'
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well...what's the cost for the solution install...i've got the 3500 for the retrofit kit....now i've got to spend another grand? i'm going to put the kit on SOON...like in 2 wks
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69gaugeman, seems like you have a lot of insight into this. May I ask if you are an engineer?(meaning to be a compliment). ![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Also you indicated that you had already come up with the same design as the solution before in solidworks. Have you created any prototypes or tested it in any way outside of computer simulation? I don't expect you to actually answer this as I don't know what the implications of any patent liability would be. Curious as to what you meant by "flaw" for us simpletons. Feel free to pm me.
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Also you indicated that you had already come up with the same design as the solution before in solidworks. Have you created any prototypes or tested it in any way outside of computer simulation? I don't expect you to actually answer this as I don't know what the implications of any patent liability would be. Curious as to what you meant by "flaw" for us simpletons. Feel free to pm me.
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I suspect that they had a lot of the original design in stock and needed to move it so they wouldn't be stuck with it. Specially if they stopped using the single row 'for months now'
The standard retrofit bearings are currently still being sold and that will not change, they will maintain their advantage of the lower cost alternative, since the retail price is 600+ less than the IMS Solution.
When I said we are no longer selling the single row bearings that was from an installation standpoint, they will still be sold by LN and are still working fine. I originally wanted to develop the IMS Solution ONLY for my engines, generally I only care about my engine program. Ltusler knows a little about the IMS Solution, he is the owner of a Raby engine and has had his hands on the unit.
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There does not seem to be much point to replacing a stock bearing with the LN bearing anymore if the "final solution" is $600 more and the suggested LN bearing life is 50k miles vs. forever. I don't think anyone here isn't looking long-term and saving $600 now only to have to fork over multiples of that 50,000 miles down the road seems foolish. (if one intended to replace the stock bearing to begin with, that is.). Saving $600 in this scenario seems penny-wise but pound-foolish, especially compared to the normal running costs already.
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In summary: The failure of the current IMSB retrofit bearings are not of concern at all and thats why you have not read stories online of such failures. The single row bearing is simply too small and the best way to create a final solution to the problem is to omit the ball bearing completely. Our VERY FIRST idea about solving the bearing failure issues was to use this plain bearing design, but it was taking too long to perfect (years) so we worked diligently behind closed doors to develop this.
Love the car and want to keep it forever? If you haven't retrofitted it, then use the IMS Solution. If you have retrofitted it, ride out the 50K rating and replace it with the final solution.
Like the car but don't want to keep it more than 50K? Just install the standard retrofit and save yourself 600 bucks or so, drive it 50K and live with having a ball bearing in the engine. In my opinion the only bad decision is for single row customers to not take some sort of action, and at least install an IMS Guardian, or apply the lowest cost bearing from Pelican. Something beats nothing all to hell.
Love the car and want to keep it forever? If you haven't retrofitted it, then use the IMS Solution. If you have retrofitted it, ride out the 50K rating and replace it with the final solution.
Like the car but don't want to keep it more than 50K? Just install the standard retrofit and save yourself 600 bucks or so, drive it 50K and live with having a ball bearing in the engine. In my opinion the only bad decision is for single row customers to not take some sort of action, and at least install an IMS Guardian, or apply the lowest cost bearing from Pelican. Something beats nothing all to hell.
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Which leads me to wonder if Imo000 off the shelf bearing is what Pelican is selling. Anyone have any way to find out? Curious if Casper Labs/Pelican/Imo000 all are using the same bearing. I can't imagine there would be too many bearing manufacturers for that type of specific bearing, but I could be wrong.
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Yes I am in the automotive parts manufacturing sector. Specifically for the last 6 years in a plant that makes transmission shafts that run in and have bushings.
My isp was out last night so I was not able to post my response as well as my concern. Then while at dinner I was reading this thread on my phone and Flat 6 responded about the patent. Now that post has disappeared. Not before I saw it though.
So before I post the response I had written, I do have a couple of questions.
Is the design in the picture the same as the one in the patent application?
I have never heard of a temporary patent number. Usually it is patent pending and if you are granted a patent, they then give you a number. Can someone tell me if patent law in the united states has changed recently?
My isp was out last night so I was not able to post my response as well as my concern. Then while at dinner I was reading this thread on my phone and Flat 6 responded about the patent. Now that post has disappeared. Not before I saw it though.
So before I post the response I had written, I do have a couple of questions.
Is the design in the picture the same as the one in the patent application?
I have never heard of a temporary patent number. Usually it is patent pending and if you are granted a patent, they then give you a number. Can someone tell me if patent law in the united states has changed recently?
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69gaugeman, seems like you have a lot of insight into this. May I ask if you are an engineer?(meaning to be a compliment). ![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Also you indicated that you had already come up with the same design as the solution before in solidworks. Have you created any prototypes or tested it in any way outside of computer simulation? I don't expect you to actually answer this as I don't know what the implications of any patent liability would be. Curious as to what you meant by "flaw" for us simpletons. Feel free to pm me.
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Also you indicated that you had already come up with the same design as the solution before in solidworks. Have you created any prototypes or tested it in any way outside of computer simulation? I don't expect you to actually answer this as I don't know what the implications of any patent liability would be. Curious as to what you meant by "flaw" for us simpletons. Feel free to pm me.
For the rest I will post my concerns soon.