jdog

http://www.samsriverside.com/vehiclesDetail.php?3828

Barn996

Rear bumper, body panels, engine damage, structural, title, unknowns... So hard to see or know what the actual damage consists of in those pics.Wouldn't you need to see the Porsche "convertible" in the flesh to scrutinize damage, or hire someone to perform due diligence?

jdog

You are absolutely right. It looks like the engine support may be pushed in a bit and of course need a bumper cover. I might go take a look at it just to see. I do have a lot of contacts in the body repair world so I could get it done cheap.
We'll see.

Barn996

It can be amazing how much unseen damage can occur with seemingly mild damage on the exterior.

Sue Esponte

IMHO, too much to make their asking price worthwhile especially with all of the unknowns mentioned above.

Macster

Unknown.

To me the pics are not very good and I can't really see the extent of the damage.

If you want a reliable number the car must be taken to a qualified repair shop and the extent of the damage determined.

The requires partial teardown (removal of the bumper covers, wheels) and the car placed on a Celette Bench and the positions of all critical (and they're all critical) hardpoints determined.

Which hardpoints are found out of position, how many, where they are, how far out of position, helps the experienced/qualified body shop expert make an accurate estimate of the car's damage.

Budget for factory parts. While one might find a second hand headlight, taillight, spoiler, engine cover, trunk cover, bumper cover, or something similar almost always the part is in worse shape than the part it is replacing. The only way to get a good replacement part is to buy one from the factory.

Budget to have any mechanical systems: brakes, coolant, etc.; attended to by a qualified Porsche tech at a dealer.

Sincerely,

Macster.

San Rensho

Its being sold by a salvage dealer. Since I'm sure the car was declared a total loss by an insurance company, that means the cost of repair is as much or more than the value of the car before it was crashed.

I would never touch it. Even when its fixed (and repaired cars are never as good as a car thats never been crashed), the value is going to be much less than book.

Barn996

Mfletch is on Rennlist and has done this several times with very good results, maybe he'll chime in.

Mark Rindner

This is an Autocheck. Clearly a salvage vehicle. Step away from the Porsche!!
The report indicates branded title. Kiss of death on any re-sale value.


Your Vehicle Checks Out! AutoCheck examined the reported odometer readings reported to AutoCheck for this 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera / Carrera 4 (WP0CA29953S652578) and no indication of an odometer rollback or tampering was found. AutoCheck uses business rules to determine if reported odometer readings are significantly less than previously reported values. Not all reported odometer readings are used. Title and auction events also report odometer tampering or breakage.

0 Problem(s) Reported: Mileage Date Reported
61 11/19/2003
4,356 02/05/2007
4,358 02/15/2007 not included in rollback calculation
4,356 06/26/2007
20,224 01/27/2012



Vehicle Use and EventCheck
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0 Event(s) Reported: 6 Vehicle uses checked:
No fleet, rental and/or lease use record
No taxi use record
No police use record
No government use record
No livery use record
No driver education record

3 Event(s) Reported: 9 Vehicle events checked:
1 Accident record(s) reported through accident data sources
No corrected title record
No duplicate title record
Emission/safety inspection record(s)
Loan/Lien record(s)
No fire damage incident record
No repossessed record
No theft record
No storm area registration/title record


Full History
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Report Run Date 2012-02-19 19:55:11.542 EST

Vehicle: 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera / Carrera 4 (WP0CA29953S652578)

Event date Location Odometer reading Data Source Details
11/19/2003 EVANSTON, IL 61 Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:T3323753017) (Lien Reported)
11/19/2003 EVANSTON, IL Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
11/24/2003 EVANSTON, IL Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:T3328857015) (Lien Reported)
11/07/2004 EVANSTON, IL Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
11/08/2005 EVANSTON, IL Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
10/19/2006 EVANSTON, IL Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
02/05/2007 LINCOLNWOOD, IL 4,356 Porsche Cars North America CERTIFIED AS PORSCHE APPROVED CERTIFIED PRE-OWNED VEHICLE
02/15/2007 LINCOLNWOOD, IL 4,358 Dealer Record VEHICLE IN DEALER INVENTORY (COLOR REPORTED AS RED)
04/30/2007 LINCOLNWOOD, IL Porsche Cars North America SOLD AS PORSCHE APPROVED CERTIFIED PRE-OWNED VEHICLE
05/17/2007 GLENCOE, IL Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
06/26/2007 GLENCOE, IL 4,356 Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:X7177858027)
03/21/2008 GLENCOE, IL Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
05/19/2009 SKOKIE, IL Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
05/23/2009 GLENCOE, IL Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
04/11/2010 GLENCOE, IL Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
12/08/2011 CHICAGO, IL Police Report ACCIDENT REPORTED (Case #:03-11-14663)
01/27/2012 AURORA, IL 20,224 Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:X2027693679)REBUILT/REBUILDABLESALVAGE This Vehicle's Glossary
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Rebuilt/Rebuildable Title and ProblemCheck The vehicle was a salvaged vehicle that was refurbished with new or used parts. An affidavit of repair from the rebuilder or individual making the repairs, stating what repairs were made to the vehicle and that the vehicle is now rebuilt and road operable, may be required to obtain a rebuilt/rebuildable title. These vehicles must also pass a state safety inspection before being allowed back on the road.
Salvage Title and ProblemCheck A salvage vehicle is a vehicle that has been wrecked or damaged beyond repair; declared a total loss by the insurer; or declared a total loss by reason of theft. When an insurance company as a result of a total loss settlement acquires a vehicle, the insurance company must apply for a Salvage Certificate. If the owner retains possession of a salvage vehicle, the owner must obtain a Salvage Certificate before receiving a total loss statement from the insurance company.
Loan/Lien Vehicle Use and EventCheck A loan/lien is the legal right to take and hold or sell the vehicle of a debtor as security or payment for a debt. Normally, a vehicle will have a lien due to a loan or unpaid repair bill against the vehicle. Check with the seller to ensure that the lien has been satisfied.
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willhope

One obvious warning sign is that it was hit hard enough to make the Rollover Bars extend... and they didnt manually retract them before pulling the top back over them, so no telling what damage has been done by forcing the top back over the bars?

willhope

Also, obvious non-Factory paint fob.

pl

It won't worth the asking price even it's been fixed perfectly with a rebuild title.
The car worth more to part it out