The IMS discussion thread (Read this first!)
05-19-2017, 07:59 PM
#256
I bought a 996.2 last year & put a Solution in. My engine may grenade this afternoon, but it sure as hell won't be the IMS that causes it.
Buy car
eliminate IMS risk
Move on with life
Simple is better. But if you must know the details..
996.2s have awful bearings - the single row OEM bearing is *the* worst bearing Porsche ever made for an IMS. This is empirical fact and verifiable in the class action suit against Porsche. Many single row bearings have failed and many will fail in the future. Many 996.2 owners subscribe to half-assed theories like "it would have failed by now" "LN bearings fail too!" etc. It's demonstrably false that any degree of 'age' or use in mileage materially reduces or eliminates bearing failure risk. But some people like to use awful logic to guide their major life decisions. This is likely why the divorce rate is so high - people are generally idiots.
Buy car
eliminate IMS risk
Move on with life
Simple is better. But if you must know the details..
996.2s have awful bearings - the single row OEM bearing is *the* worst bearing Porsche ever made for an IMS. This is empirical fact and verifiable in the class action suit against Porsche. Many single row bearings have failed and many will fail in the future. Many 996.2 owners subscribe to half-assed theories like "it would have failed by now" "LN bearings fail too!" etc. It's demonstrably false that any degree of 'age' or use in mileage materially reduces or eliminates bearing failure risk. But some people like to use awful logic to guide their major life decisions. This is likely why the divorce rate is so high - people are generally idiots.
However, hearing that sellers claim "LN bearings fail too" or "would have failed by now" as plain silly logic, affirms that I am not, at least, certifiably crazy.
I come from 10 years of S54 ownership, and knew the motor's ups and downs very intimately, now that I am without my E46, its time to look for new toys...hence the 996.2
I suppose the best strategy is to offer cash, and walk if the owner does not want to budge on the topic of a still-stock IMS bearing.
The hunt continues!
05-21-2017, 08:56 AM
#257
I bought a 996.2 last year & put a Solution in. My engine may grenade this afternoon, but it sure as hell won't be the IMS that causes it.
Buy car
eliminate IMS risk
Move on with life
Simple is better. But if you must know the details..
996.2s have awful bearings - the single row OEM bearing is *the* worst bearing Porsche ever made for an IMS. This is empirical fact and verifiable in the class action suit against Porsche. Many single row bearings have failed and many will fail in the future. Many 996.2 owners subscribe to half-assed theories like "it would have failed by now" "LN bearings fail too!" etc. It's demonstrably false that any degree of 'age' or use in mileage materially reduces or eliminates bearing failure risk. But some people like to use awful logic to guide their major life decisions. This is likely why the divorce rate is so high - people are generally idiots.
Buy car
eliminate IMS risk
Move on with life
Simple is better. But if you must know the details..
996.2s have awful bearings - the single row OEM bearing is *the* worst bearing Porsche ever made for an IMS. This is empirical fact and verifiable in the class action suit against Porsche. Many single row bearings have failed and many will fail in the future. Many 996.2 owners subscribe to half-assed theories like "it would have failed by now" "LN bearings fail too!" etc. It's demonstrably false that any degree of 'age' or use in mileage materially reduces or eliminates bearing failure risk. But some people like to use awful logic to guide their major life decisions. This is likely why the divorce rate is so high - people are generally idiots.
06-05-2017, 04:52 PM
#258
I am going to do it...IMS, RMS, Clutch, AOS and Water pump
car has 112K miles now, bought in January with 108,700. IMS seal and RMS were both replaced by the original owner and even had the tranny rebuilt around 78K miles. NO IMS replacement. I planned to wait until I needed a clutch, but my ex brother in law's 01 boxster just died last week from the IMS with 100k miles on it. My timeline has been moved up.
Quote from a shop in Phoenix who has done many IMS replacements for all the work mentioned in the title was $3300. Seems about right doesn't it?
Quote from a shop in Phoenix who has done many IMS replacements for all the work mentioned in the title was $3300. Seems about right doesn't it?
06-05-2017, 05:01 PM
#259
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Yes, give or take a few. Stop driving it and Get it done ASAP!
06-05-2017, 05:10 PM
#260
06-06-2017, 03:41 AM
#261
car has 112K miles now, bought in January with 108,700. IMS seal and RMS were both replaced by the original owner and even had the tranny rebuilt around 78K miles. NO IMS replacement. I planned to wait until I needed a clutch, but my ex brother in law's 01 boxster just died last week from the IMS with 100k miles on it. My timeline has been moved up.
Quote from a shop in Phoenix who has done many IMS replacements for all the work mentioned in the title was $3300. Seems about right doesn't it?
Quote from a shop in Phoenix who has done many IMS replacements for all the work mentioned in the title was $3300. Seems about right doesn't it?
Also little things like oil cooler O rings, hoses, engine mounts, for example, things you do while in there, can slowly drive up the cost.
On my '99 C2 cab. I had the IMS, AOS, RMS, clutch w/flywheel, and OC o-rings done for $4,000.00 ($4,300 out the door, tax and misc. etc.)
Because I needed a new fly wheel I skipped the water pump and plan on doing it myself. Had I opted for water pump also, bill would have been $5,000.00 plus tax & misc.
06-06-2017, 08:46 PM
#262
That price is great, but I can almost assure you that does not include a new flywheel if you need one. Figure $700 more. If it does, good on you.
Also little things like oil cooler O rings, hoses, engine mounts, for example, things you do while in there, can slowly drive up the cost.
On my '99 C2 cab. I had the IMS, AOS, RMS, clutch w/flywheel, and OC o-rings done for $4,000.00 ($4,300 out the door, tax and misc. etc.)
Because I needed a new fly wheel I skipped the water pump and plan on doing it myself. Had I opted for water pump also, bill would have been $5,000.00 plus tax & misc.
Also little things like oil cooler O rings, hoses, engine mounts, for example, things you do while in there, can slowly drive up the cost.
On my '99 C2 cab. I had the IMS, AOS, RMS, clutch w/flywheel, and OC o-rings done for $4,000.00 ($4,300 out the door, tax and misc. etc.)
Because I needed a new fly wheel I skipped the water pump and plan on doing it myself. Had I opted for water pump also, bill would have been $5,000.00 plus tax & misc.
06-06-2017, 10:36 PM
#263
Racer
car has 112K miles now, bought in January with 108,700. IMS seal and RMS were both replaced by the original owner and even had the tranny rebuilt around 78K miles. NO IMS replacement. I planned to wait until I needed a clutch, but my ex brother in law's 01 boxster just died last week from the IMS with 100k miles on it. My timeline has been moved up.
Quote from a shop in Phoenix who has done many IMS replacements for all the work mentioned in the title was $3300. Seems about right doesn't it?
Quote from a shop in Phoenix who has done many IMS replacements for all the work mentioned in the title was $3300. Seems about right doesn't it?
you up guys are scaring me. I just got mine 1 month now. I have 96k miles. I planned to do oil analysis and see if it's needed, waiting for a clutch change, but now, I am thinking I might try to have it done.
Does anyone habe have a good parts list?
06-06-2017, 10:45 PM
#264
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Naked and Afraid while driving a 996 might be a new T-Shirt.
06-13-2017, 06:24 PM
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On the IMS poll 996 failures now stand at 10.03% and seems to be dropping while on the 997 forum it is now at 6.39% and I have the impression it is going up. That number is quite high considering (I guess) about half of 997's have a DFI engine.... I guess 997 owners need a shirt too..
06-13-2017, 06:31 PM
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On the IMS poll 996 failures now stand at 10.03% and seems to be dropping while on the 997 forum it is now at 6.39% and I have the impression it is going up. That number is quite high considering (I guess) about half of 997's have a DFI engine.... I guess 997 owners need a shirt too..
The better poll would be of all 996/997 owners who have ever heard of an IMSB....
06-14-2017, 02:58 PM
#269
Just spoke to Scott up at Mcilvain motors who is buttoning up my IMS replacement right now. Said the bearing looks great at 112,700 miles. I will sleep better knowing that and having the LN bearing in the car now. Will post pics when I get them from him.
Could pick it up tomorrow, but do to travel plans I'll get it Monday.
Could pick it up tomorrow, but do to travel plans I'll get it Monday.
06-15-2017, 03:02 AM
#270
On the IMS poll 996 failures now stand at 10.03% and seems to be dropping while on the 997 forum it is now at 6.39% and I have the impression it is going up. That number is quite high considering (I guess) about half of 997's have a DFI engine.... I guess 997 owners need a shirt too..