why are the 996 so cheap in price compare to 993
05-19-2010, 01:24 PM
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Most of us with 996's would NOT trade for a 993. Atleast I wouldnt. I respect the 993 and like them but not as much as my 996. Just not a big aircooled guy....I like them but dont want one.
05-19-2010, 01:27 PM
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It's odd to me how our perceived value of something is influenced by age. Some things (paintings, some cars, etc.) increase in value as they age. Some things like electronics become worthless pretty fast.
The difference in prices between 993's and 996's are fantasies. A car is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. As long as I can get you to believe that my older, discontinued design is "better" -- I'm going to benefit from that. Further, I get to feel superior!
I think it's vitally important that you stay away from a newer car with lower maintenance, better parts availability (especially in future years), better ride, is faster, better fuel economy, more room, better ergonomics. For now, it even costs less! Why on earth would you burden yourself with those things?
Virtually every car goes through a cycle of where it's cool to be new, then it gets old enough that it's uncool and can be had cheap, to when it becomes more interesting (to varying degrees) and its value goes up. Even Edsels are collectible!
There were times when you could have had a Shelby Cobra for about $3,000. I bought a '67 275 GTS Ferrari for $7,000; a '69 911S for $4250; a '65 356 SC for $3,300; a '65 Austin Healy 3000 Mk III for $1,800. (check the current value of those!) But I got them at their points in the curve when they didn't have the status of a new car, but weren't old enough to be collectible. I saw them as interesting cars and didn't give a rat's *** about what other people thought. If they were willing to sell me a good car at a great price--my gain.
ALL automotive engines are air cooled. Some simply transfer heat in different ways. People go on about the 993 being air cooled, but in some ways, it was more oil cooled than air cooled.
Just a crock of B.S.
But I suppose without it, what would we talk about? What color to paint our wheels? ugh.
It's odd to me how our perceived value of something is influenced by age. Some things (paintings, some cars, etc.) increase in value as they age. Some things like electronics become worthless pretty fast.
The difference in prices between 993's and 996's are fantasies. A car is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. As long as I can get you to believe that my older, discontinued design is "better" -- I'm going to benefit from that. Further, I get to feel superior!
I think it's vitally important that you stay away from a newer car with lower maintenance, better parts availability (especially in future years), better ride, is faster, better fuel economy, more room, better ergonomics. For now, it even costs less! Why on earth would you burden yourself with those things?
Virtually every car goes through a cycle of where it's cool to be new, then it gets old enough that it's uncool and can be had cheap, to when it becomes more interesting (to varying degrees) and its value goes up. Even Edsels are collectible!
There were times when you could have had a Shelby Cobra for about $3,000. I bought a '67 275 GTS Ferrari for $7,000; a '69 911S for $4250; a '65 356 SC for $3,300; a '65 Austin Healy 3000 Mk III for $1,800. (check the current value of those!) But I got them at their points in the curve when they didn't have the status of a new car, but weren't old enough to be collectible. I saw them as interesting cars and didn't give a rat's *** about what other people thought. If they were willing to sell me a good car at a great price--my gain.
ALL automotive engines are air cooled. Some simply transfer heat in different ways. People go on about the 993 being air cooled, but in some ways, it was more oil cooled than air cooled.
Just a crock of B.S.
But I suppose without it, what would we talk about? What color to paint our wheels? ugh.
05-19-2010, 04:59 PM
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I think it's vitally important that you stay away from a newer car with lower maintenance, better parts availability (especially in future years), better ride, is faster, better fuel economy, more room, better ergonomics. For now, it even costs less! Why on earth would you burden yourself with those things?
This doesn’t make the 993 better than the 996, but just different in the sense that it touches upon a different part of the driving experience. For me, I appreciated all of those aspects when evaluating which car to purchase. And I was VERY close to buying a 993, but since my car is a daily driver I figured all of those points you touched upon were more important to me at this point in time then the traits the 993 offers to me. And I’m extremely happy with my decision. But again, it’s a personal decision.
05-19-2010, 06:19 PM
#49
HMMM I have 996 & 964 personally I would sell the 996 with no worries. But I would never let go of the 964 I guess it is personal choice. I feel the older cars have more character. The 996 is a better daily driver thought. I like the 964 for the sound the looks the design build etc. These 1990 cars where ahead of their time odb two port,ABS ,cruise,climate control,twin airbags,power steering all in a classic car.
05-19-2010, 07:33 PM
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Having had several air cooled Porsches, I am not missing the air box heating problems and the engine smell everytime you turn on the heat. Also sitting in traffic for long periods of time and the engine overheating because there is no air flow, watching the temp gauge just start climbing as time wears on.
05-19-2010, 07:49 PM
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Your point is valid when we’re talking about a daily driver, but for some people the experience you get in a 993 is superior to that in a 996 no matter how many advantages the latter has. You have to admit they do drive very differently although they have many similarities. For those who want to smell the oil burning in the exhaust, hear the unique air-cooled sound, and feel the perceived solidness of the platform then there is no substitute for the air-cooled car.
This doesn’t make the 993 better than the 996, but just different in the sense that it touches upon a different part of the driving experience. For me, I appreciated all of those aspects when evaluating which car to purchase. And I was VERY close to buying a 993, but since my car is a daily driver I figured all of those points you touched upon were more important to me at this point in time then the traits the 993 offers to me. And I’m extremely happy with my decision. But again, it’s a personal decision.
This doesn’t make the 993 better than the 996, but just different in the sense that it touches upon a different part of the driving experience. For me, I appreciated all of those aspects when evaluating which car to purchase. And I was VERY close to buying a 993, but since my car is a daily driver I figured all of those points you touched upon were more important to me at this point in time then the traits the 993 offers to me. And I’m extremely happy with my decision. But again, it’s a personal decision.
"Better" has many definitions. 993s are much better than 996s in just as many ways as 996s are much better than 993s. People from both camps who try hard to prove that their choice is the "better" one must suffer from a severe case of insecurity. They are different cars that appeal to different markets and they both have their strengths and drawbacks. That is all. Man, it's like debating religion...90% of values are the same yet everybody fights over the other 10%. They're all Porsche 911s people.
05-19-2010, 10:05 PM
#52
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Thankfully, someone with common sense.
"Better" has many definitions. 993s are much better than 996s in just as many ways as 996s are much better than 993s. People from both camps who try hard to prove that their choice is the "better" one must suffer from a severe case of insecurity. They are different cars that appeal to different markets and they both have their strengths and drawbacks. That is all. Man, it's like debating religion...90% of values are the same yet everybody fights over the other 10%. They're all Porsche 911s people.
"Better" has many definitions. 993s are much better than 996s in just as many ways as 996s are much better than 993s. People from both camps who try hard to prove that their choice is the "better" one must suffer from a severe case of insecurity. They are different cars that appeal to different markets and they both have their strengths and drawbacks. That is all. Man, it's like debating religion...90% of values are the same yet everybody fights over the other 10%. They're all Porsche 911s people.
Amen to that.
05-20-2010, 10:55 AM
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I don't know about you guys but I want a 993, and a 997...and a CGT, a 951 a 928GTS.... and a 73RS... and... well, you get the idea. They all have something to offer as far as I'm concerned.
05-20-2010, 11:01 AM
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having just gone down this path I can honestly say.....I would swap my 996 for a 993 so freeking fast if you blinked you would have missed it
in fact I DID swap my 996 for just a plain ole high mile 911 - nothing fancy at all and I am VERY VERY HAPPY I did !!!
that said I loved my 996 and will always remember it - i would own another one in a heartbeat too... they are (or at least mine was) great cars!
05-20-2010, 11:12 AM
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I also want a Turbo, GT2 and a GT3 of every vintage.
05-20-2010, 11:49 AM
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I'm a California native living in the humid South. No aircooled car that I have ever been in had adequate enough AC for me. When I looked to upgrade from my (very well airconditioned) 968, the 996 was a no brainer. If I lived west of the Rockies I probably would have seriously considered an aircooled car. I think the 993 is the best looking 911 of them all.
That said, I love this 996 and am sort of glad that the AC issue pushed me in this direction. It is so much more modern and refined than a 964 or 993 - while at the same time faster.
That said, I love this 996 and am sort of glad that the AC issue pushed me in this direction. It is so much more modern and refined than a 964 or 993 - while at the same time faster.
05-20-2010, 09:54 PM
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When i was in high school the 3.6 single turbo was the top dog, and while i liked the 959 style lights on the 993, I felt like it looked just plain girly next to the 965. soooo wide, and those 964 gen cups are still fast.
i was a 996 hater when they came out, the shared parts forward of the a-pillar made me think why not just a 986 S, until of course i drove a couple of 996s. Get up and go! For me the 3.6 996 was a no brainer, great chassis, distinctive looks, all the power, most of the updates, amazingly reliable as a Daily Driver and cheap to own. I did shop 993s for a while as well, and, to RF5BPilot's point, in 2007 I could have had a PCA member owned well cared for 993 in the mid to upper 30s, less than I paid for the mk2, but I wanted a car that I could drive a LOT, and not be afraid to break.
I still wouldn't kick a 993tt out of bed, but I'd be much more likely to choose a 997 when it's time to retire the 6, because I want a car I can drive a lot, with a warranty.
Of course if i could have a few of these things, I agree with the gang, I mean I want so many variants from the 50s to current: a chopped black 356 speedster on some big mags with some surfboard foam widebody flares for the beach, a mean RS for HSR class, a 930 turbo and flatnose just to detail on Sunday mornings, a 964 turbo S and speedster for straight shock and awe, the 993tt-s just because c'mon man, a 6gt3 cup for the track, a 6gt2 and some software for the dragstrip, a 7tt on snows as a winter beater, my current mk2 as a commuter, a real 550 to rub with a diaper and whisper sweet nothings to, and one of those hummer golf carts to get around the airplane hangar with). I'll post pics when I get done writing this show about nothing.
i was a 996 hater when they came out, the shared parts forward of the a-pillar made me think why not just a 986 S, until of course i drove a couple of 996s. Get up and go! For me the 3.6 996 was a no brainer, great chassis, distinctive looks, all the power, most of the updates, amazingly reliable as a Daily Driver and cheap to own. I did shop 993s for a while as well, and, to RF5BPilot's point, in 2007 I could have had a PCA member owned well cared for 993 in the mid to upper 30s, less than I paid for the mk2, but I wanted a car that I could drive a LOT, and not be afraid to break.
I still wouldn't kick a 993tt out of bed, but I'd be much more likely to choose a 997 when it's time to retire the 6, because I want a car I can drive a lot, with a warranty.
Of course if i could have a few of these things, I agree with the gang, I mean I want so many variants from the 50s to current: a chopped black 356 speedster on some big mags with some surfboard foam widebody flares for the beach, a mean RS for HSR class, a 930 turbo and flatnose just to detail on Sunday mornings, a 964 turbo S and speedster for straight shock and awe, the 993tt-s just because c'mon man, a 6gt3 cup for the track, a 6gt2 and some software for the dragstrip, a 7tt on snows as a winter beater, my current mk2 as a commuter, a real 550 to rub with a diaper and whisper sweet nothings to, and one of those hummer golf carts to get around the airplane hangar with). I'll post pics when I get done writing this show about nothing.
05-24-2010, 02:32 PM
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tru, makes u want to sell ur porsche, cause my model porsche is better than ur model porsche, i guess too many of these guys think because they drive a porsche they r somebody!