Notices
996 Forum 1999-2005
Sponsored by:

996 steering wheels shaking even after tire balancing: SOLVED !

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-06-2010, 02:02 AM
  #16  
jasper
Three Wheelin'
 
jasper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: north vancouver
Posts: 1,413
Received 17 Likes on 13 Posts
Default

When I had my alignment done recently I was told my inner tie rod bushings were badly worn, and that he couldn't do a good alignment without replacing them. I did so, and after that (and of course after the alignment) the occasional shake/shimmy that had been irking me for a some time previously disappeared.

My point ? This could be a worn tie rod or link issue.
Old 04-06-2010, 02:39 AM
  #17  
Pac996
Drifting
 
Pac996's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Aiea, HI
Posts: 2,919
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

+1
Old 04-06-2010, 09:12 AM
  #18  
Chris996
Burning Brakes
 
Chris996's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 782
Received 7 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Could be a wheel bearing but would be generating some noise.
Old 04-06-2010, 11:05 AM
  #19  
nick49
Drifting
 
nick49's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Out West
Posts: 2,006
Received 24 Likes on 16 Posts
Default

An easy way to check for worn tie rod bushes is to lift the front of the car a few inches off the ground. Then grab each tire at 3 and 9 o'clock and rock in a horizonal twisting motion. Any lash or play will indicate wear that should not be there. Next is to have someone feel around different areas to help pinpoint the source of the lash if it is not obvious.
Old 04-06-2010, 11:10 AM
  #20  
tooloud10
Team Owner
 
tooloud10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: IA
Posts: 21,538
Received 194 Likes on 132 Posts
Default

I'm betting on a bent wheel.
Old 04-06-2010, 11:33 AM
  #21  
adg44
Instructor
 
adg44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 216
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by jasper
When I had my alignment done recently I was told my inner tie rod bushings were badly worn, and that he couldn't do a good alignment without replacing them. I did so, and after that (and of course after the alignment) the occasional shake/shimmy that had been irking me for a some time previously disappeared.

My point ? This could be a worn tie rod or link issue.
Exactly. It could also be a wheel bearing, as stated above, but when a wheel bearing is going bad, you can hear it (most of the time).

It would seem odd that an alignment would cause a vibration, but I've seen it happen before.

Please post back with the before/after specs of the alignment.

- Anthony
Old 04-06-2010, 11:46 AM
  #22  
John3804
Intermediate
 
John3804's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Mukilteo, WA
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I went through a similar investigation last year on my 03 Cab. New rear tires, had the wheels looked at and one straightened, all 4 tires balanced - twice.

Issue was a bad front wheel bearing. Had that replaced (and new rotors put on the front brakes) and all was well again.

Not a great answer $$-wise, but worth a look.

Good Luck!
Old 04-06-2010, 11:52 AM
  #23  
adg44
Instructor
 
adg44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 216
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by John3804
I went through a similar investigation last year on my 03 Cab. New rear tires, had the wheels looked at and one straightened, all 4 tires balanced - twice.

Issue was a bad front wheel bearing. Had that replaced (and new rotors put on the front brakes) and all was well again.

Not a great answer $$-wise, but worth a look.

Good Luck!
How many miles were on your car? Was it sitting a lot?

Also, did you have any noise - usually you'll hear a humming when the wheel bearing is going bad.
Old 04-06-2010, 02:02 PM
  #24  
springgeyser
Racer
 
springgeyser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 462
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Like other mentioned, could be a bad tire(s). Try swapping another set of wheels from someone and see if the shaking still occurs.

worn front shocks is possible also.
Old 04-06-2010, 05:38 PM
  #25  
markman
Track Day
 
markman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Duluth,MN
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

a little grain of salt advice from the newbie....had a similar sounding problem with my kids Mazda Protege. Had a sticky caliper on the left front wheel. Pulled a little to the left from start up. No vibration in first few miles until the rotor heated up a bit and started to shimmy. After stopping, the rotor cooled, and the caliper released its grip a bit. rebuilt the caliper. Rotor was fine.
Old 04-06-2010, 09:58 PM
  #26  
Rickker
Racer
 
Rickker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Kingston, Ontario
Posts: 250
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

OK, I know this is pretty basic, but has the tire been checked for the "feathering" or "scalloping" condition? You can actually feel some bulges when you run your hand around the circumference of the tire. Tires with this condition cannot be balanced, or not well balanced. The only solution is to replace the tire.

...Rickker
Old 04-06-2010, 11:51 PM
  #27  
philooo
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
philooo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 2,331
Received 19 Likes on 13 Posts
Default

I am back from the shop...Unfortunately the shaking is still there, coming right above 55MPH, at 65MPH it is there clearly, stay same up until 80mph. Did not push it faster than that

Mechanic diagnostic and check:
- Alignment was done, apparently there was a pretty bad to toe problem (3/4) on one front tire. Consequently that tire is worn on the side, but the mechanics tell me it will wear back evenly, with time.

Alignment values:
Front: L R
caster 7.1 7.3
camber -.5 -.5
toe .1 .1

Back: L R
camber 2 2.1
toe .1 .1


- Tires were balanced again today and apparently they were a little off. Note that I had those tire balanced the day before on a Hunter road force machine... So I wonder why they loose the balancing overnight...anyways

- Mechanic said he checked for bearing play, flat rim or spot on the tire but could not find anything.

I am a bit confused as the shaking is still there. I am afraid I will have to start the debugging by replacing parts

I heard in the past that it is possible to balance tires while they are ON the car. Do this really exists ? at least I could confirm my problem in a logical way.

I think I will switch the tires first. I have michelin pilot sport sp2 right now, pricey to change just for the test, do you think I can try some cheap sumitomo in the front for the sake of this testing ?
Old 04-07-2010, 12:04 AM
  #28  
mglobe
The Penguin King
Rennlist Member
 
mglobe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Houston
Posts: 9,834
Received 118 Likes on 84 Posts
Default

At this point I would be willing to bet that it's a tire. I've had this happen on more than one vehicle in the 3000 or so years that I've been driving. Can you find someone else nearby with a 996 or 993 that you could swap tires with for a test? You could just swap out the fronts, go for a drive, and then swap them back.
Old 04-07-2010, 04:11 AM
  #29  
450knotOffice
Racer
 
450knotOffice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Mission Viejo, CA
Posts: 487
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

I'd put money on a bad tire. Once it's scalloped, it will never be the same.
Old 04-07-2010, 11:12 AM
  #30  
nick49
Drifting
 
nick49's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Out West
Posts: 2,006
Received 24 Likes on 16 Posts
Default

Try a set of the Sumi IIs on front. They are an excellent tire for your test, if the shaking goes away, order a pair of rears. Also, like anything else, re the Hunter balancing, Snap-On tools do not guarantee quality work. Good Luck


Quick Reply: 996 steering wheels shaking even after tire balancing: SOLVED !



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 09:28 PM.