Another engine bites the dust - intermix
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Called Sunset Porsche in Oregon. The discounted motors are gone. I can get a 3.8 X51 for around the same price, but have to eat the core charge because they won't accept a 3.4 for a 3.8. FWIW, they said the sale motors were gone on the first day...
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Try Suncoast. When I was struggling with my engine I talked with both Sunset (where I buy almost all my parts) and Suncoast. Sunset had to have an apples to apples core (i.e. 3.4 to 3.4 or 3.6 to 3.6) but Suncoast said they could do a 3.4 to 3.6 with only the difference in core charge, which is only a couple of hundred dollars, being charged.
Now two other things.
First. a 3.4 to3.6 swap is not a simple thing. It is more than just a black box to do the VarioCamPlus. There are differences in the fuel supply, CanBus vs. wire, guages, etc. etc. Talk to some of the owners who have tried this swap. Soem have had success, and others nothing but headaches. There is a place in Georgia (other than Roock) that claims to do them, but charges about $7,500 plus the cost of the engine.
Second, why have you already decided to reploace the engine without knowing exactly what caused the intermix. I am telling you that if it is a cracked head, and it was not driven too much with the intemixed fluids, you can fix it for a few thousand dollars. I did mine myself, other than the actual fix of the cracked head, which was done by a shop in Costa Mesa. Or a new head is about $2,800.
Now two other things.
First. a 3.4 to3.6 swap is not a simple thing. It is more than just a black box to do the VarioCamPlus. There are differences in the fuel supply, CanBus vs. wire, guages, etc. etc. Talk to some of the owners who have tried this swap. Soem have had success, and others nothing but headaches. There is a place in Georgia (other than Roock) that claims to do them, but charges about $7,500 plus the cost of the engine.
Second, why have you already decided to reploace the engine without knowing exactly what caused the intermix. I am telling you that if it is a cracked head, and it was not driven too much with the intemixed fluids, you can fix it for a few thousand dollars. I did mine myself, other than the actual fix of the cracked head, which was done by a shop in Costa Mesa. Or a new head is about $2,800.
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There's a bunch of coolant coming out as steam from the exhaust. I believe that means cracked cylinder or the cylinder slipped.
I will have the shop pull the motor. Actually, one shop said they drop the oil pan and pressurize the cooling system. Depending on where the coolant comes out, they can tell whether it's the head or the cylinder.
Suncoast is in Florida, right? I'll call them tomorrow.
I will have the shop pull the motor. Actually, one shop said they drop the oil pan and pressurize the cooling system. Depending on where the coolant comes out, they can tell whether it's the head or the cylinder.
Suncoast is in Florida, right? I'll call them tomorrow.
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Will double everything Dharn55 says, as he is helping me generously trying to help me through the repair of my cylinder head crack - in the same place I might add. Unfortunately for me I have cracks in both the 1-3 and the 4-6 side. Keeping the Machine shop in business. Have learned a helluva alot taking the engine out in my garage and going through the process. Not as daunting as one might believe at first!
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First. a 3.4 to3.6 swap is not a simple thing. It is more than just a black box to do the VarioCamPlus. There are differences in the fuel supply, CanBus vs. wire, guages, etc. etc. Talk to some of the owners who have tried this swap. Soem have had success, and others nothing but headaches. There is a place in Georgia (other than Roock) that claims to do them, but charges about $7,500 plus the cost of the engine.
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I know of a used '99 996 motor in Denver. If you could get the car here, it could be installed for a total of about $6,000-6,500. (search on my user name for details if interested).
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Say what? That's just silly....
A stock 3.4 motor with open exhaust and a lightweight flywheel dyno's right at 250-255 rwhp. Most X51's dyno anywhere from 300-315 rwhp, a minimum increase of 25%. Even the stock 3.6 is noticably more poweful especially when the variocam+ kicks in....
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Say what? That's just silly....
A stock 3.4 motor with open exhaust and a lightweight flywheel dyno's right at 250-255 rwhp. Most X51's dyno anywhere from 300-315 rwhp, a minimum increase of 25%. Even the stock 3.6 is noticably more poweful especially when the variocam+ kicks in....
A stock 3.4 motor with open exhaust and a lightweight flywheel dyno's right at 250-255 rwhp. Most X51's dyno anywhere from 300-315 rwhp, a minimum increase of 25%. Even the stock 3.6 is noticably more poweful especially when the variocam+ kicks in....
OK, that's all I wanted to say. Didn't mean for this thread to go off topic.
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Every shop I have talked to has suggested that the engine is toast once I described all the symptoms. While this may ultimately prove to not be the case, it's my current working assumption. Even with intermix Porsche suggests rod bearings. Parts/labor eclipse replacement. While it might be safe to fix or replace a cracked head (if that is the problem), clean everything up and go, I'm inclined to go with a more thorough fix.
I am leaning towards getting a used 3.6 out of a crashed-in-front 2005 with ~30k miles. There is a local guy in SD who comes highly recommended and has done similar transplants before. It will involve reflashing the DME and dealing with VC+, which IMO is the only way to go. If the car needs further tuning, I can head up to BBI in Huntington Beach.
Compared to what I've been through with the 928, this should be a cakewalk.
I would really like to find a 3.6 X51 or 3.8 X51, but I'm not dead set on it. The car will never see the track. But it would be nice to have a bit more grunt. Interesting to hear that the X51 might have more top end at the expense of low end torque, but maybe not all that surprising. Sounds like in any event the 3.6 is an improvement over the 3.4. I do not want another early model used engine going in. Now it's just a question of used vs new, and I'm leaning towards a "newer" used engine as reasonable compromise between cost vs risk of being back where I started in less than 2 years.
I appreciate the additional commentary. It helps to narrow down the choices and it's nice to hear differing opinions.
I am leaning towards getting a used 3.6 out of a crashed-in-front 2005 with ~30k miles. There is a local guy in SD who comes highly recommended and has done similar transplants before. It will involve reflashing the DME and dealing with VC+, which IMO is the only way to go. If the car needs further tuning, I can head up to BBI in Huntington Beach.
Compared to what I've been through with the 928, this should be a cakewalk.
I would really like to find a 3.6 X51 or 3.8 X51, but I'm not dead set on it. The car will never see the track. But it would be nice to have a bit more grunt. Interesting to hear that the X51 might have more top end at the expense of low end torque, but maybe not all that surprising. Sounds like in any event the 3.6 is an improvement over the 3.4. I do not want another early model used engine going in. Now it's just a question of used vs new, and I'm leaning towards a "newer" used engine as reasonable compromise between cost vs risk of being back where I started in less than 2 years.
I appreciate the additional commentary. It helps to narrow down the choices and it's nice to hear differing opinions.
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TWO YEAR FACTORY WARRANTY*!!!
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We are proud to offer these fresh engines from Porsche.
These engines are revised with updated parts and components that improve durability and longevity. They are professionally rebuilt to the highest standards by trained Porsche technicians. These engines have had all the necessary updates to ensure longer life and better performance.
Rebuilt Porsche engines are often preferred over brand new because of the updated parts. This is a limited time; special offer. Quantities are very low and available on a first come first serve basis. Please call to confirm availability before ordering. These engines are going fast. No guarantee on availability until confirmation of stock.
Included is a 24 month, unlimited mile warranty. Warranty will cover parts and labor if installed through a licensed Factory Porsche dealer. Warranty covers parts only if you have it installed at a non Factory Porsche shop. Void if race driven and only applicable to the car the engine was specified for.
Possible upgrades; 2.5L to 2.7L, 3.4Lto 3.6L or upgrade your 3.6L to 3.8L. Again the warranty is void if you install the engine in a vehicle it was not specified for stock.
Porsche engines come with the engine loom, control units must be purchased separately.
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(2) 996100970DX 3.6L Turbo GT2 X50 Manual $23,166 ex
(2) 997100970 X 3.6L Turbo Manual $18,018 ex
(6) 9A1100901AX 3.8L Carrera PDK Tip $10,120 ex
(4) 987100920CX 2.7L Boxster/Cayman Tip $9009 ex
(3) 996100970HX 3.6L Turbo GT2 Manual $23,166 ex
(2) 996100970SX 3.6L Turbo GT2 X50 Tip $18,018 ex
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Mon-Friday 9:00AM-6:00 P.M PST
Saturday by appointment only