BruceP

Thanks, Tippy. I couldn't resist this topic. Having done the upgrade, I wanted to contribute.

BruceP

My pricing won't make much sense to most guys here, because we seem to pay so much more for everything than you do. Let's just say that the labour was about the same as the labour for a clutch replacement. Whatever that costs where you are is going to be the ballpark price for the IMS bearing retrofit.

FWIW, my rationale on some of the earlier questions was this: Every M96 engine is vulnerable because of the IMS design, and always will be regardless of what you do to 'fix' it. But the retrofit part is overbuilt to a degree that Porsche could never have afforded on a mass scale. I don't see it as eliminating the risk 100%, but I do see it as reducing it by many orders of magnitude, at roughly 10% of the cost of a new motor. Just speaking for me, that math made sense.

chsu74

Bruce,

So basically, if you are going in to replace a clutch, like a RMS replacement, it makes sense to do this? Obviously, the part is more expensive than a RMS seal...

RF5BPilot

Bruce -- also good to see you again on the site.

Were you having other work done, so did this as part of a larger maintenance visit (e.g., doing a clutch, rms & bearing at once)? Or was this a specific, preemptive strike?

BruceP

IMHO, that would be an easy call. A large part of the labour is redundant. The incremental cost would be in the hundreds of dollars in that case.

BruceP

Thanks.

This was a 'preemptive strike'.

I love the car, and I've done a lot to it to make it 'mine'. There's nothing I want more that would even come close to justifying the loss if I sold it, and that includes a 997. So the game becomes one of how to make it last. As I said earlier, its value to me is measured in the miles ahead of it. So I'm a maintenance *****.

JDSStudios

Hi Bruce
Who or where in TO did yours? How much? (I'm in Mississauga)

BruceP

These guys. I think it was in the mid-two grand range. I don't have the invoice in front of me, and I had some suspension work done at the same time.

http://www.engineeredautomotive.com

Dave Tomassetti is the former Pfaff tech I mentioned. I can't say enough good about these guys. Total perfectionists. They have a black C2 in there right now getting the kit installed, actually.

JDSStudios

Thanks Bruce.
Do you know if these are the only guys in the GTA doing the Jake Raby IMS bearing replacement?

BruceP

Sorry, I don't know. There certainly could be others by now.

wallen

Quick question Jake: Have you worked with any Workshops in Australia that you rate to perform the upgrade? About to jump into my first Porker, want a 3.6 C2 6 speed, and plan on maximising enjoyment and minimising pain. As no amount of inspection short of a full takedown will guarantee I don't get something about to fail, and as half the cars I'm seeing haven't had their Porsche warranty maintained, I'd like a little extra peace of mind.

Several of the independants here are imploring me to bypass the M96-engined cars and stick with a Turbo/GT3 because of these issues. Unfortunately I either lose practicality (GT3) and/or increase cost and age (both Turbo and GT3)

Wayne.

wallen

Bump. Jake?

Charles Navarro

BWA Auto can do the retrofit kits and has experience rebuilding the M96 engine as well.

fasteddie99

How about any shops in northern California?

TIA.

jyoteen

Since many asked, the shop that did mine here in Southern California is Otto's in Venice. Daniel, the tech is great guy.

I have had my car serviced between them and Callas Rennsport in Torrance, so i'm sure Tony can also do this; Otto's was simply closer and I've been going to them recently. Both are perfectly great shops.