Need Help - Setting Priority - 996 Purchase
03-02-2009 | 10:50 PM
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03-02-2009 | 11:12 PM
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Ryan,
They are dickin with you! Do a search and you are way ahead of the game by starting here. TTs are fast,can you really go that fast? C2s are alot of fun,cab,targa,coupe? You are really in a good buying position. Enjoy the hunt because these cars are tough to sell.
They are dickin with you! Do a search and you are way ahead of the game by starting here. TTs are fast,can you really go that fast? C2s are alot of fun,cab,targa,coupe? You are really in a good buying position. Enjoy the hunt because these cars are tough to sell.
Exactly
03-03-2009 | 03:20 PM
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Three Wheelin'
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This auction has no reserve, so the final bid will be the sale price. Right now the car is at $14,500. In 24 hours the auction will be over and we'll see what a 996 with 71,500 goes for.
The spirit of my post was that earlier I had stated the OP would never find a 996 for $15K and that possibly it's not entirely out of the question with the failing ecomony.
But I should know better than to post on the 996 board without having every fact and detail triple checked by at least two teams of lawyers, because this is the 996 board and that's the standard. Carry on..
03-03-2009 | 10:59 PM
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If you live in Cleveland, it's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned. You have far too much weather there even after the snow melts to own a 2WD sports car when the premium to an AWD turbo is so nominal right now.
Buy an 02+ TT, CPO. Won't sit in the garage that way, maximize utility, and the new bumper to bumper CPO warranty will take the edge off of your mileage concerns. 02+ there are some nice updates, some resolved issues, and they can be found CPO more readily. Stoddard Porsche (PA but closer to Ohio I think) had a nice dark blue 02 TT for low money that they have had for months, PPI that thing and make a cash offer and I bet you can steal it.
While I might buy a car without CPO now that I am familiar with how these cars work and understand the repair and maintenance a little better than I did pre purchase, I would never do so unless the dealer at least offered to CPO it and gave me a breakdown on what work he would need to do to certify the car and what it would cost me. I also would not buy any car with a 15K to 40K engine replacement cost without at least a powertrain warranty from someone I believe will be in business and paying out claims for the term of my contract, but I'm likely in the minority on this board in that respect.
Or for a little more money an '06 C4 would also be very nice.
PS. I will warn you that you should really try to do some independent, current research on warranties if you decide to go without a CPO, as there is just very little current information on the forums regarding aftermarket warranties and you will not get too many answers by asking questions about them, because results vary so much. There is some info on the TT forum, but again not conclusive. Search for third party or aftermarket warranty or warranties
Buy an 02+ TT, CPO. Won't sit in the garage that way, maximize utility, and the new bumper to bumper CPO warranty will take the edge off of your mileage concerns. 02+ there are some nice updates, some resolved issues, and they can be found CPO more readily. Stoddard Porsche (PA but closer to Ohio I think) had a nice dark blue 02 TT for low money that they have had for months, PPI that thing and make a cash offer and I bet you can steal it.
While I might buy a car without CPO now that I am familiar with how these cars work and understand the repair and maintenance a little better than I did pre purchase, I would never do so unless the dealer at least offered to CPO it and gave me a breakdown on what work he would need to do to certify the car and what it would cost me. I also would not buy any car with a 15K to 40K engine replacement cost without at least a powertrain warranty from someone I believe will be in business and paying out claims for the term of my contract, but I'm likely in the minority on this board in that respect.
Or for a little more money an '06 C4 would also be very nice.
PS. I will warn you that you should really try to do some independent, current research on warranties if you decide to go without a CPO, as there is just very little current information on the forums regarding aftermarket warranties and you will not get too many answers by asking questions about them, because results vary so much. There is some info on the TT forum, but again not conclusive. Search for third party or aftermarket warranty or warranties
I apologize but both of your assumptions are incorrect. Yes, have I been "searching" for the past couple of years. The issue is that each time I become close to start making bids on cars, something pops up and I must delay my purchase.
Have you noticed the economy in the past 24 months?
Also, I live in Cleveland. We have horrible winters up here and this car will not be driven in the snow. Therefore, I am not about to commit to buying a car, have it shipped here, and then have it sit in my garage until the snow melts. The winter cuts out 12 of the last 24 months.
I hear stories all of the time on these boards where people state that it took them X months or years to find the car for them.
Lets also not ignore the fact that the prices on these cars have been falling extremely fast. I know these cars are not investments, but lets get real. Anytime you see prices falling like this for ANYTHING, it does not give you a sense of urgency. Obviously I am not the only potential buyer on the sideline.
Have I posted a similar question in the past? YES. You will also notice that not one person has answered my questions.
What should be given a higher priority? Age or mileage? Should I ignore the MY and look more a mileage? In the big picture, does a mileage difference of 10k or 20k really make a difference? Should 1 or 2 years difference in production be taken into consideration?
My goals were stated in the post above.
I understand that you should always buy the newest that you can afford. That is a no brainer. But, that statement makes the assumption that you are comparing multiple cars that are essentially identical, miles, options, etc.
Thanks to those of you that offered advise. To those that took my post the wrong way, I apologize.
Have you noticed the economy in the past 24 months?
Also, I live in Cleveland. We have horrible winters up here and this car will not be driven in the snow. Therefore, I am not about to commit to buying a car, have it shipped here, and then have it sit in my garage until the snow melts. The winter cuts out 12 of the last 24 months.
I hear stories all of the time on these boards where people state that it took them X months or years to find the car for them.
Lets also not ignore the fact that the prices on these cars have been falling extremely fast. I know these cars are not investments, but lets get real. Anytime you see prices falling like this for ANYTHING, it does not give you a sense of urgency. Obviously I am not the only potential buyer on the sideline.
Have I posted a similar question in the past? YES. You will also notice that not one person has answered my questions.
What should be given a higher priority? Age or mileage? Should I ignore the MY and look more a mileage? In the big picture, does a mileage difference of 10k or 20k really make a difference? Should 1 or 2 years difference in production be taken into consideration?
My goals were stated in the post above.
I understand that you should always buy the newest that you can afford. That is a no brainer. But, that statement makes the assumption that you are comparing multiple cars that are essentially identical, miles, options, etc.
Thanks to those of you that offered advise. To those that took my post the wrong way, I apologize.
03-04-2009 | 07:00 PM
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03-05-2009 | 12:23 PM
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Take it easy, all I did was question the alleged $14k car you listed and you get all upset? A bid is not a sale and your 14K car went for 17k (still a heck of a deal). If you can wait long enough or look hard enough you may find a $14k 996. However, surely you can see how proclaiming "Here's one for $14k" can be misleading when $14k was actually the opening bid price.
Sure it's misleading, but for how long? Three seconds? It's not like posting the wrong torque specs for wheels and putting lives in danger. Truly, your post was no big deal (neither was mine), I guess what I'm tired of is the "nit picking" "spelling ****" spirit of the 996 board. Here's what I've noticed over the one year time period I've been on this board, and I realize this is a generalization. Often, it's the same 20 or so people posting over and over, why is that? I have a theory. When new people post and mis-state anything, no matter how minor, they are hammered into the ground by the "regulars." Who are like vultures. When new people ask a newbie question or a question that's been asked many times, again hammered, and of course scared away. Maybe I've done this myself. I'm sure a regular can review all my posts and point out an example to throw back at me. Be my guest. But I'm not going to do it moving forward.
Maybe I'm wrong about this, maybe this is a friendly, forgiving, welcoming Porsche enthusiast board, but I've been on here almost daily for a year and that's not my impression. I wish it would change so more people could come on here and enjoy learning about Porsches, feel okay about asking "dumb" questions, and who knows, maybe all the "experts" could actually learn something new. Carry on.
03-05-2009 | 12:40 PM
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Ray,
Sure it's misleading, but for how long? Three seconds? It's not like posting the wrong torque specs for wheels and putting lives in danger. Truly, your post was no big deal (neither was mine), I guess what I'm tired of is the "nit picking" "spelling ****" spirit of the 996 board. Here's what I've noticed over the one year time period I've been on this board, and I realize this is a generalization. Often, it's the same 20 or so people posting over and over, why is that? I have a theory. When new people post and mis-state anything, no matter how minor, they are hammered into the ground by the "regulars." Who are like vultures. When new people ask a newbie question or a question that's been asked many times, again hammered, and of course scared away. Maybe I've done this myself. I'm sure a regular can review all my posts and point out an example to throw back at me. Be my guest. But I'm not going to do it moving forward.
Maybe I'm wrong about this, maybe this is a friendly, forgiving, welcoming Porsche enthusiast board, but I've been on here almost daily for a year and that's not my impression. I wish it would change so more people could come on here and enjoy learning about Porsches, feel okay about asking "dumb" questions, and who knows, maybe all the "experts" could actually learn something new. Carry on.
Sure it's misleading, but for how long? Three seconds? It's not like posting the wrong torque specs for wheels and putting lives in danger. Truly, your post was no big deal (neither was mine), I guess what I'm tired of is the "nit picking" "spelling ****" spirit of the 996 board. Here's what I've noticed over the one year time period I've been on this board, and I realize this is a generalization. Often, it's the same 20 or so people posting over and over, why is that? I have a theory. When new people post and mis-state anything, no matter how minor, they are hammered into the ground by the "regulars." Who are like vultures. When new people ask a newbie question or a question that's been asked many times, again hammered, and of course scared away. Maybe I've done this myself. I'm sure a regular can review all my posts and point out an example to throw back at me. Be my guest. But I'm not going to do it moving forward.
Maybe I'm wrong about this, maybe this is a friendly, forgiving, welcoming Porsche enthusiast board, but I've been on here almost daily for a year and that's not my impression. I wish it would change so more people could come on here and enjoy learning about Porsches, feel okay about asking "dumb" questions, and who knows, maybe all the "experts" could actually learn something new. Carry on.
I think there is a huge amount of excellent information on rennlist, freely given up by the regulars. I think the "hammering" is mostly in good fun, not meant to scare anybody away, but just to break the monotony of the frequently repeated questions. As long as people don't take it too seriously, or take themselves too seriously, nobody gets hurt!
03-05-2009 | 12:47 PM
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I think this group is more fun than any of the other 996 boards around. Renntech is perfect for no-frills tech questions and answers. 6speed is great for discussing mods. Rennlist is best for entertaining opinions, threads (Hood Ornament!!!), moaning about depreciation, and Honda bashing (btw, I love Hondas).
Since I'm a newbie, I'll make the claim that as long as you don't take anyone too seriously, you'll realize that it's all in good humor.
Since I'm a newbie, I'll make the claim that as long as you don't take anyone too seriously, you'll realize that it's all in good humor.
03-06-2009 | 02:41 AM
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I was just in Cleveland to pick-up a 996 last week. Agree that now is not the best time to drive in Cleveland. I was fortunate to visit on a sunny day without precipitation. I drove my new-used 996 back to Florida over about 20 hours. Funny story - I went South as far as the North Carolina border and had to stop. I got a hotel room and slept from 9 pm to 1 am. I awoke, remembered I had just bought a 996I figured I could try to go back to sleep (but would be unsuccessul) or just get up and keep driving. So, I got up and took off. The dude who checked me into the hotel gave me an interesting look as I left at 1:30 am! Best decision I had made in a long while - had a blast driving through the night and into the sunrise.
Age vs miles probably isn't the first consideration for most people. And I don't think "buy the newest you can afford" makes sense with a Porsche. These decisions are more emotional than intellectual. Do you want the classic air-cooled engine or are you looking for one that is more contemporary, leaving the experience of "driving a piece of history" to someone else?
I would suggest looking at many and driving a few. You will know when you are in the car that fits. Get a PPI on that one. A good PPI is absolutely essential. If you get a car that has been well-preserved, most likely it was driven with care.
The best advice I got from my Porsche-crazy friends was "be sure to have fun looking before you buy...there are many amazing Porsches...take your time and find one."
Age vs miles probably isn't the first consideration for most people. And I don't think "buy the newest you can afford" makes sense with a Porsche. These decisions are more emotional than intellectual. Do you want the classic air-cooled engine or are you looking for one that is more contemporary, leaving the experience of "driving a piece of history" to someone else?
I would suggest looking at many and driving a few. You will know when you are in the car that fits. Get a PPI on that one. A good PPI is absolutely essential. If you get a car that has been well-preserved, most likely it was driven with care.
The best advice I got from my Porsche-crazy friends was "be sure to have fun looking before you buy...there are many amazing Porsches...take your time and find one."