996 Not a real Porsche?
09-21-2007, 04:46 AM
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damn a 996 is NOT a real Porsche??? WTF.....what am I to do?? Sell?? What am I going to buy?? I love my 996...but if it is not real..I got to get ride of it...but it depriciated too much....mmmmhhhhh I guess I am stuck until I become a gazilionair (or just millionair) and can buy a Carrera GT (or is this not a real Porsche either??) I am confused.
09-21-2007, 04:50 AM
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09-21-2007, 07:59 AM
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Saying to Joe: go to the 993 board you are not welcomed here, it's just a plain stupid thing to say in my book. If we don't agree with him, I think we have enough 996 arguments to show him that he is not right.
he has is opinion, valid or not but I always like to ear what he says because he is a true Porsche fan.
We are here to discuss the models and it's always a good thing disputes like this one.
Joe: the 996 4S is one of the most beautiful 911 out there, and don't forget that it was the 996 generation that gave birth to the first GT3 model (yeah, I know the 964 DNA of the engine
) in my opinion one of the best racing cars ever made.
he has is opinion, valid or not but I always like to ear what he says because he is a true Porsche fan.
We are here to discuss the models and it's always a good thing disputes like this one.
Joe: the 996 4S is one of the most beautiful 911 out there, and don't forget that it was the 996 generation that gave birth to the first GT3 model (yeah, I know the 964 DNA of the engine
) in my opinion one of the best racing cars ever made.
09-21-2007, 08:05 AM
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Why is the 993 holding there value while the 996 is depreciating as much as any other 911 based car.
Why did Porsche go away from it's roots, change the power plant?..... Proffit..... Well it worked. they are the most profitable car company in the world. They did not get there building GT3's and Turbo's. The profit is in there production based models.
Dam, I knew that I shouldn't have sold my 993. If I only I knew at that time that it would be the last Porsche model ever made, and all of the following models would be phonies.
Long live all production based Porsche cars,
In 2000 I made a business trip to South Korea, and I'm now going to share a secret that is known by only a handul of people outside of Porsche. The reason that Porsche is so profitable is that they no longer manufacture cars. Hyundai has been building Porsches since the late 90s, and the cars have been shipped to Germany where the logos are attached. In defense of Porsche, the Koreans did build them by hand since they didn't have an assembly line at that time. So I have to agree with RS 197, that the 996 is not a real Porsche, but I disagree about the production line assertion.
Why did Porsche go away from it's roots, change the power plant?..... Proffit..... Well it worked. they are the most profitable car company in the world. They did not get there building GT3's and Turbo's. The profit is in there production based models.
Dam, I knew that I shouldn't have sold my 993. If I only I knew at that time that it would be the last Porsche model ever made, and all of the following models would be phonies.
Long live all production based Porsche cars,
In 2000 I made a business trip to South Korea, and I'm now going to share a secret that is known by only a handul of people outside of Porsche. The reason that Porsche is so profitable is that they no longer manufacture cars. Hyundai has been building Porsches since the late 90s, and the cars have been shipped to Germany where the logos are attached. In defense of Porsche, the Koreans did build them by hand since they didn't have an assembly line at that time. So I have to agree with RS 197, that the 996 is not a real Porsche, but I disagree about the production line assertion.
09-21-2007, 09:27 AM
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Something is really wrong if someone is going to say the entire 911 line is the "Flagship" model. I do beleive that the "Flagship" model is or was the Carerra GT. Following that I would say GT2 not GT3 is the "Flagship" get a grip with this 993 crap....
09-21-2007, 09:37 AM
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Joe,
Well at least we share a passion for 964s and especailly the RS. At the end of the day the difference between the 964 and the 964RS and the difference between the 993 and the 993RSCS are every bit as great as the difference between the 996 or 997 and the GT3s. For a long time Porsche has made a street focused car that was good on the track and a track focused car that was still good on the street but out of the reach of many buyers. As you pointed out, Porsche would go broke selling GT3s. It's was the 996 and the Boxster that saved the company and allowed it to get back into racing which we all appreciate.
Where we differ is in the trackability of the 996. I guess we'll just disagree. I've got thousands of track hours in a 996 and I suspect you have none so you're not going to convince me. I'm pretty sure you're not going to change your mind and frankly I really don't care to so let's just call a truce.
Jim
Well at least we share a passion for 964s and especailly the RS. At the end of the day the difference between the 964 and the 964RS and the difference between the 993 and the 993RSCS are every bit as great as the difference between the 996 or 997 and the GT3s. For a long time Porsche has made a street focused car that was good on the track and a track focused car that was still good on the street but out of the reach of many buyers. As you pointed out, Porsche would go broke selling GT3s. It's was the 996 and the Boxster that saved the company and allowed it to get back into racing which we all appreciate.
Where we differ is in the trackability of the 996. I guess we'll just disagree. I've got thousands of track hours in a 996 and I suspect you have none so you're not going to convince me. I'm pretty sure you're not going to change your mind and frankly I really don't care to so let's just call a truce.
Jim
09-21-2007, 10:25 AM
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Flagship does not indicate more exotic, expensive or better performance.
BTW, I thought you're in town? Give me a buzz.
09-21-2007, 10:28 AM
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I can apprecitate you guy's enjoy your 996 cars....Don't get to crazy on me. You did not build the cars.
Here are a few questions I could not get past when I considered a 996.
Why is the 993 holding there value while the 996 is depreciating as much as any other 911 based car.
Why did Porsche go away from it's roots, change the power plant?..... Proffit..... Well it worked. they are the most profitable car company in the world. They did not get there building GT3's and Turbo's. The profit is in there production based models.
No more hand built cars...Assembly line issues, quality issues. Interior O.K. at best, Styling not up to par.
The power plant is a throw away, way cheeper to just replace than rebuild... The gear box is getting better, but not close to the G50 in durabiltiy.
Porsche would not have a cup car if it was based on the stock 996 engine. They were not designed to withstand a race track. That is a huge compromize in my book.
Let us all look back on what made Porsche what it is today.... Not the buisiness model of the 996.... If the fist 911 would have been the quality and Reliabiltiy of a 996, Porsche would have no race roots specializing in mini vans and econo cars.
I do appreciate all that have purchased a 996,997,Cayman, SUV......Production cars....They are great cars. Without all of your $$$ Porsche could not afford to offer the GT3 or Turbo to the few that appreciate it.
Again, try not to take it too personal. For me I will repeat, a 996 is not a real porsche. It is a compromize for the all mighty dollar.....
Here are a few questions I could not get past when I considered a 996.
Why is the 993 holding there value while the 996 is depreciating as much as any other 911 based car.
Why did Porsche go away from it's roots, change the power plant?..... Proffit..... Well it worked. they are the most profitable car company in the world. They did not get there building GT3's and Turbo's. The profit is in there production based models.
No more hand built cars...Assembly line issues, quality issues. Interior O.K. at best, Styling not up to par.
The power plant is a throw away, way cheeper to just replace than rebuild... The gear box is getting better, but not close to the G50 in durabiltiy.
Porsche would not have a cup car if it was based on the stock 996 engine. They were not designed to withstand a race track. That is a huge compromize in my book.
Let us all look back on what made Porsche what it is today.... Not the buisiness model of the 996.... If the fist 911 would have been the quality and Reliabiltiy of a 996, Porsche would have no race roots specializing in mini vans and econo cars.
I do appreciate all that have purchased a 996,997,Cayman, SUV......Production cars....They are great cars. Without all of your $$$ Porsche could not afford to offer the GT3 or Turbo to the few that appreciate it.
Again, try not to take it too personal. For me I will repeat, a 996 is not a real porsche. It is a compromize for the all mighty dollar.....
Tell your story to all the engineers, designers, test drivers and countless other Porsche employees that all their hard work to constantly improve the 911 was for naught. Tell them that the 997 - the best 911 to date - is also a waste of their time.
09-21-2007, 10:44 AM
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^^^ I'm voting your post the most ignorant post on Rennlist.
Tell your story to all the engineers, designers, test drivers and countless other Porsche employees that all their hard work to constantly improve the 911 was for naught. Tell them that the 997 - the best 911 to date - is also a waste of their time.
Tell your story to all the engineers, designers, test drivers and countless other Porsche employees that all their hard work to constantly improve the 911 was for naught. Tell them that the 997 - the best 911 to date - is also a waste of their time.
09-21-2007, 10:52 AM
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Joe,
Well at least we share a passion for 964s and especailly the RS. At the end of the day the difference between the 964 and the 964RS and the difference between the 993 and the 993RSCS are every bit as great as the difference between the 996 or 997 and the GT3s. For a long time Porsche has made a street focused car that was good on the track and a track focused car that was still good on the street but out of the reach of many buyers. As you pointed out, Porsche would go broke selling GT3s. It's was the 996 and the Boxster that saved the company and allowed it to get back into racing which we all appreciate.
Where we differ is in the trackability of the 996. I guess we'll just disagree. I've got thousands of track hours in a 996 and I suspect you have none so you're not going to convince me. I'm pretty sure you're not going to change your mind and frankly I really don't care to so let's just call a truce.
Jim
Well at least we share a passion for 964s and especailly the RS. At the end of the day the difference between the 964 and the 964RS and the difference between the 993 and the 993RSCS are every bit as great as the difference between the 996 or 997 and the GT3s. For a long time Porsche has made a street focused car that was good on the track and a track focused car that was still good on the street but out of the reach of many buyers. As you pointed out, Porsche would go broke selling GT3s. It's was the 996 and the Boxster that saved the company and allowed it to get back into racing which we all appreciate.
Where we differ is in the trackability of the 996. I guess we'll just disagree. I've got thousands of track hours in a 996 and I suspect you have none so you're not going to convince me. I'm pretty sure you're not going to change your mind and frankly I really don't care to so let's just call a truce.
Jim
09-21-2007, 12:00 PM
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09-21-2007, 12:59 PM
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I don't take your comments personally... and I don't think others here should either because we're talking about their CARS... not their wife, gf, grandpa, son, dog. Get a grip fellas.
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09-21-2007, 01:44 PM
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Mattel just issued a recall on all 996s.