Tippy

I dont know for sure but possibly to meet their requirements for handling. There is no doubt that N spec Continentals have stiffer sidewalls than non-N Continentals, dont know for the rest.

Case closed in my book.

Benjamin Choi

I can't run NSpecs in the rear even if I wanted to since they're 19x12, 315/25s.

I will be running the more typical 235/35/19s in the front, but they will be NSpecs because the non-Nspecs are backordered until June - otherwise i'd run all nonNspec PS2s.

your reasoning to go with "stiffer sidewall" due to the added weight in the rear is elementary school bud. what data do you have to even begin to prove your claims (other than your hiney) that the Nspecs are stiffer than the non Nspecs?

You can't in my case because again there is no 315 in Nspec. even if i were running 305s, i'd still be curious as to how you came to that conclusion that the Nspecs are stiffer and "better"

the 911 handling isn't a glass house. heck you and i both run aftermarket suspensions so that whole holy grail from the factory tuning is completely bogus and thrown out the door in our case.

Benjamin Choi

And there is no doubt the Contis absolutely suck compared to PS2s Nspec or nonNspec next

jamie645

The contisport 2 is a much improved tire over gen. 1

CosmosC4S

I use Conti Sportcontact 2 and have no complaints so far.
I've read much negativity on them, but can't see why.
I don't track the car, but I drive it hard ocassionally.

Benjamin Choi

here's your daily dose of candor for ya fellas: one man's trash is another man's treasure

bzalforno

On my 964 i went with SO2A's N spec on street and track. Fabulous, but really short lived.

now, bridedgestone is selling the new 050, which is not N spec, but is supposedly the future of the Pole Position group.

i drove a 2003 C4S on the street, no track, with new 050's and they were great.

soooo, my theory is, that if you are not pushing the cars to it's limits, for reasonable street, i might go for the 050's for the 996 that i just bought.

of course, the PS2 is the reference standard, but i would like to hear some feedback from any 050 users.
thanks
bob

Tbred911

Are you talking about the Michelin Pilot Sport version 1 or the "PS2" ?? M3 cabrio is a pretty heavy car... how was the steering response on these...

Benjamin Choi

It's all marketing here. The RE050A Pole Positions are fantastic tires that are an equal match for the more expensive PS2s. In fact, they have better manufacturing tolerances than the PS2s by my experience. From a shallow level, I have more faith in QC on products Made in Japan v. Made in France.

I just wish Bridgestone made them available in 315/25/19s which they don't so I'm running the PS2 versions which do not come in NSpec anyways since no Porsche runs tires as wide as the 315s on the 911.

Given my recent experience with PS2s, I am now an even bigger fan of the Pole Positions. Two of the new PS2s I got had hop with the front being so bad, it wouldn't balance.

Right now, I'm running N1 spec fronts in 235. It's fine to mix NSpec with non-NSpec especially for those of you running steamrollers in the back that don't come in NSpec.

1999Porsche911

You guys ARE aware of what the "N" label stands for, aren't you. Porsche orginally labeled the tires NAIVE and the tire manufaturers could not fit the entire word on the sidewall where it looked good so it was shortened to just "N". There were so many suckers falling for their recommnedation that they had to begin relabeling them N1, N2, N3, etc.

Tbred911

you sure about that?

newport996

Missing the point....its not at all marketing....since when did Porsche use ity for marketing? How? They have simply put high tolerances and specifications on tires. They make you make them in a number of Porsche only sizes, and then they have to pass certification. There are great tires that are not certified for one reason or another, but if they make the tire in a N spec and non N spec, there is a difference abd sidewall stiffness is on of the main differences. For Porsche's thats a key issue. If you dont push your car at all you will never know....if you track or run canyons, you will notice the sidewall flex.

Benjamin Choi

I'm talking about BS RE050A v. PS2s, bud. PS2s are certainly the most popular tire for the Porsche 911 brand, but I'd be more than cool with running RE050A PPs for the street on my 911 even if they don't come "approved".

I push my car, whatever that means. Sidewall flex? Bro, you ain't even running Porsche factory wheels, suspension. All that magical factory Porsche voodoo is thrown out the window for you and I and others. The last hair you should be splitting is sidewall flex wahahaha and i'd love for you to even begin to try and show us some numbers validating your **** assessment

newport996

Actually they are Porsche wheels, and the suspension? Not much different than the GT3 coilovers actually, and because of it the flex if felt more....sorry, but I do feel it on my non N spec tires....Like I said in an earlier thread, there are probably alot of NON approved tires that will work just as good as approved tires because they may not make thin in enough sizes for Porsche....I also said there is a difference in the SAME tire..ie...Conti Sport 2 N's and Conti Sport 2's non N's....there will be a difference you can feel. REGARDLESS of suspension and wheels....Just because there are coilovers involved doesnt mean that tire specs are thrown out the window. I dont need numbers to verify what I feel....so I am just offering MY experience....if you have had N's and non N's back to back, then tell us your experiences...I look forward to it....

Benjamin Choi

We can agree to disagree since I'm not big on splitting hairs.

I believe you, though, when you say you can tell the diff in flex between Conti N Spec and non-N Spec, but Contis overall suck anyways so would never ever recommend these tires to anyone. I'd rather run Toyo T1Rs and save some money at the same time.

I haven't pushed the PS2 235 N1s in the front yet as they are still breaking in, but that is not to say I haven't taken some turns aggressively to get a feel for the setup. I can tell you that it's going to make 0 diff in driving experience N1 or non N1 235s and then that matched with non N1 315s in the back. I feel no diff in sidewall flex whatsoever.

I am supremely disappointed at the hop issues with the PS2s... so much for robotic manufacturing processes.

Bottomline, the drive remains a kick **** experience.