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Old 02-27-2007, 04:16 PM
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So I'm assuming that '00 C2's are probably more at risk for this?
Old 02-27-2007, 04:23 PM
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Oh, I see, it's "per car sold" not really "most" profitable.

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Old 02-27-2007, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by utah997
So I'm assuming that '00 C2's are probably more at risk for this?
MY 99 - end of MY 01 seem to have the most QC issues to date

Major engine changes from MY02 onwards and the early QC issues appear to have been solved to a great extent.
Old 02-27-2007, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cdodkin
MY 99 - end of MY 01 seem to have the most QC issues to date

Major engine changes from MY02 onwards and the early QC issues appear to have been solved to a great extent.
u mean, MY99 and last batch of MY01 have more problems? i understand MY99, but why end of MY01?
Old 02-27-2007, 06:47 PM
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I have no horse in this race, but something comes to mind and that is.... Since when is a WHOLE ENGINE a replacement part? Why has Porsche not made parts available to rebuild the engines. Blows my mind!!!
Old 02-27-2007, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by slant911
I have no horse in this race, but something comes to mind and that is.... Since when is a WHOLE ENGINE a replacement part? Why has Porsche not made parts available to rebuild the engines. Blows my mind!!!

THE PARTS ARE AVAILAABLE, but the realistic cost of doing it is beyond what anyone would want to pay. Bewteen parts and labor your going to be 75% OF A completye unit for porsche, and still have all the old accessorys and no warrenty. I
Old 02-27-2007, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan V
M96 engine failures are statistically almost non-existent. In fact if you experience one you'll be the first one

this week.
Quick, go outside and check on your valve guides!!!
Old 02-27-2007, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by cdodkin
MY 99 - end of MY 01 seem to have the most QC issues to date

Major engine changes from MY02 onwards and the early QC issues appear to have been solved to a great extent.
I thought the MY01 resolved most of the earlier QC issues? I've seen it said buying an '01 or an '04 would be getting the best of each model?
Old 02-27-2007, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JasonAndreas
Pricing in North America as of November 2006 is

Code:
Rebuilt Part #	Exchange #     MSRP		Year	Type   Options
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996-840-051-ax	996-840-001-01	$11246.43	MY98-99 M96.01 C2 X51
996-840-001-ax	996-840-051-01	$7647.24	MY98-99 M96.01 C2
996-840-051-bx	996-840-051-02	$9703.26	MY99-01 M96.02 C4 X51 M620
996-100-996-qx	996-100-996-14	$9346.80	MY02-   M96.03 X51 M660 M661
996-100-996-px	996-100-996-15	$9533.75	MY04-	M96.03 X51 M660 M661
996-840-001-sx	996-840-001-09	$7647.24	MY99	M96.01 C4
996-840-001-fx	996-840-001-06	$7647.24	MY98	M96.01 C2
996-840-001-jx	996-840-001-10	$7647.22	MY99	M96.01
996-100-996-x	996-100-996-00			MY99	M96.01
996-100-996-ax	996-100-996-01	$12399.91	MY99-00 M96.02 M339 M620 M96.02/04
996-100-996-mx	996-100-996-12	$12399.91	MY01	M96.04 M660 M661 M620 M249
996-100-976-x	996-100-976-00			MY00+	M96.76 GT3
996-100-979-x	996-100-979-00			MY04+	M96.76 GT3
996-100-996-cx	996-100-996-03	$8129.56	MY00	M96.04 M660 M661 M620 (3.4L?)
996-100-996-lx	996-100-996-lx	$7190.20	MY01	M96.04 M660 M661 M620 M480
996-100-996-dx	996-100-996-04	$6733.03	MY02+	M96.03 M660 M661 M480
996-100-996-ex	996-100-996-05	$6733.03	MY02	M96.03 M660 M661 M249
996-100-996-gx	996-100-996-07	$7493.65	MY02	M96.03 M660 M661 M480
996-100-996-hx	996-100-996-08	$7493.65	MY02	M96.03 M660 M661 M249
996-100-996-jx	996-100-996-09	$7568.60	MY03+	M96.03 M660 M661 M480
996-100-996-kx	996-100-996-10	$7568.60	MY03+	M96.03 M660 M661 M249
and depending on how your engine failed could mean a few additional thousands for things like oil coolers, radiators, hoses, etc.
Wow! Thanks for this interesting information. Where does one find the rebuilt engine part #s and what engines/options they apply to? I'm guessing the ones in PET are new engine part #s only. Is the Exchange # the "core"?
Old 02-27-2007, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by slant911
I have no horse in this race, but something comes to mind and that is.... Since when is a WHOLE ENGINE a replacement part? Why has Porsche not made parts available to rebuild the engines. Blows my mind!!!
For some of us the WHOLE ENGINE blew. NOTHING left to rebuild.
Old 02-27-2007, 10:36 PM
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For some of us the WHOLE ENGINE blew. NOTHING left to rebuild.
WOW that's unfortunate

And I do get the point above on the cost of rebuild vs. value of new.

I just can't get beyond the fact that an engine has become an expendable item. I've owned some 1/2 dozen or more P-cars in my lifetime and the one thing I "thought" always was that the car would last forever no matter the model and when the engine went you replace the necessary seals, bearings, gaskets, etc... and do a nice machining of surfaces and you have a new car. Seems that ideology is now flawed for me
Old 02-28-2007, 12:11 AM
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has anyone changed from a 99-0-1 engine to an 02+? how much was it and how involved was it.....? i hear it's expensive and not worth the effort....
Old 02-28-2007, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by washington dc porsche
Probably, maybe, possible, doubful, not likely?

All one has to do is call a few dealerships' service or parts department and ask if they've replaced any engines. Just tell them you're is blown and you want a place that has done it before, if they question you as to why you're asking.

Also, go on Autotrader or Cars.com and type in "New Engine" or something similar in your 996 search. That may help a little.
In January I paid $8,129.56 after a core credit of $2,375 at Dean McCrary Porsche in Mobile, AL. I call a Porsche dealer in New Orleans and asked them how much for a engine and they faxed me a quote of $8,129.56 after a core credit of $2,375.
Altogether with TTL I paid just shy of $12,000.
I’m happy with my car but, there always is a but, I still don’t believe any car with less than 70,000 miles much less an $80,000 Porsche should have catastrophic engine failure especially when all maintenance work had been preformed early and the car had been driven normally and never raced.
Old 02-28-2007, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rleeq
In January I paid $8,129.56 after a core credit of $2,375 at Dean McCrary Porsche in Mobile, AL. I call a Porsche dealer in New Orleans and asked them how much for a engine and they faxed me a quote of $8,129.56 after a core credit of $2,375.
Altogether with TTL I paid just shy of $12,000.
I’m happy with my car but, there always is a but, I still don’t believe any car with less than 70,000 miles much less an $80,000 Porsche should have catastrophic engine failure especially when all maintenance work had been preformed early and the car had been driven normally and never raced.
man that sucks...... i agree with you.......
Old 02-28-2007, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by washington dc porsche
Does anyone have a URL that states Porsche is the most profitable car company in the world? I think that title belongs to Toyota.
I don’t know if Porsche is the “most Profitable” but according to Porsche’s Annual Report 2005/06 their EBIT was $2,726,000,000 on sales of $9,397,000,000. That is a profit of 29%! Wow!!!


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