Russ Murphy

It looks like there may be a silver lining to the replacement only M96 situation.
If the price list that Jason posted is correct, you can turn in a "regular" '98 3.4liter and get an X51 for $11246.00 or less (cost plus 15% it sounds like).
What's the option cost? $15k or so? 340hp should help take some of the sting out.

Adrian

The 3.4L X51 engines are not fitted with Secondary Air Injection.
Somebody on Rennlist already found this out the hard way when he purchased his X51 kit, no SAI ports in the heads.
Even if you could use these engines they cannot be exchanged for a normal engine. The program only works same type for same type.
You would have to purchase it new and then it becomes very expensive.
According to the Engine manual for model year 1999 the X51 engine has 320hp.
Ciao,
Adrian.

Russ Murphy

>>>996-840-051-ax 996-840-001-01 $11246.43 MY98-99 M96.01 C2 X51<<<

From the Porsche price list Jason posted:
Rebuilt part# Exchange part#
996-840-051-ax 996-840-001-01 $11246.43 MY98-99 M96.01 C2 X51

The exchange part# appears to be for the standard 3.4l motor. Is it not?

Adrian

Boy you guys love to argue don't you?
The model year 98/99 X51 engines are not for sale in the USA. I have no idea how they ended up in this list with a $US price.
Call your local dealer and ask him to organise an exchange for you for a model year 99 X51 engine and see what he says.
Check the 996 Parts catalogue page 001 illustration 101-00 update 187. Standard replacement motors are part number 996.100.996.02 and 03 for the USA for model year 1999.
There was no model year 1998 996 sold in the USA.
I can also assure you that you cannot exchange a standard ROW M96.01 for a M96.01/S either. Already been asked some time ago on behalf of somebody else with similar plans.
Ciao,
Adrian.

pl

3.4 X51 was not avaliable in US, porshce talked to some dealer about the X51 pkg for 3.4, the reaction wasn't good. basiclly dealers think it's price is crazy. so US market never got 3.4 X51.

Macster

the engine is in the very early stages of manifesting this problem.

Engines, cylinders that ingest coolant usually are easy to spot, because the coolant/water tends to remove combustion chamber/piston crown deposits.

Combustion chamber, including valve faces, piston top, and even spark plug can look quite clean.

Might not spot right away where/how the coolant's getting into the cylinder, but at least one can tell which cylinder(s) are affected.

Sincerely,

Macster.

JasonAndreas

Normally you can order any ROW part from any North American based dealership so PCNA has pricing data for everything. I posted everything and gave the engine and option type breakdown so that people would know (one of several apparently) reasons why the engine prices are all over the map.

Are they requiring a VIN number or photo or proof of anything when placing the order? What is the core charge? $2k? $4k? Do you know of any repercussions other than losing your core deposit? When I went to place my order (never went through with it) for a rebuilt 964 engine all that was required was payment.

pl

that's the PCNA we know, ALL you need is $$

Adrian

I would imagine adding the secondary air injection to the X51 kit seeing as they made it without it would have raised the cost substantially.
This is like the guy in the USA who ordered an engine for his 993. He was sent the last new one in the store in Germany. The trouble was that it was a ROW version. That was a costly mistake for both parties and why it doesn't happen anymore. The ROW 993 engines did not have Secondary air injection and had a different electrical harness.
Ciao,
Adrian.

Adrian

This is true unless it is tagged in the store "NOT FOR US VEHICLES". You may still be able to order, but somebody somewhere along the line will pick it up and it won't be delivered. The X51 exchange engine is so marked. It's not like the PCNA are going to have any of these X51 engines in store in the USA are they? The order has to go to Germany and I think they might twig that somebody from a country where this engine was not exported to and does not meet the legal requirements for emissions, might not be exchanging the same type of engine.
The kit which is sold by TEquipment may not be marked. I know one was shipped to the USA (to an independant) and sold to a 996 owner who installed it (the kit is quite substantial as well) and now he has no Secondary Air Injection, a permanent glowing CEL and is somewhat down on power according to the last dyno tests.

Full details of the 996 in question are provided for engine exchanges by the dealers to AMAG (Swiss version of PCNA) and onto the factory. They need this data for the warranty paperwork, to revise the build spec and to issue new registration approval documentation. You cannot just pop another engine in your car here in Switzerland. They also check what you should have and the dealer knows anyway. Private individuals cannot order engine exchanges.
There is a post in this thread by somebody who said he tried to exchange his 3.4 for a 3.6 and they said no and that was in the USA.
The repercussions of trying to cheat Porsche? No idea the dealers wouldn't do it and seeing as I cannot call up AMAG and order an engine exchange direct I don't have any answers for you.
Ordering a 996 engine for exchange is quite different to a 964 engine due to the multiple types and the ROW and USA versions. The 964 only had one main type, the M64/01/02 (Tip) for the whole world. If you tried to exchange an M64/01 for an M64/04 (RS engine) I think you would agree that Porsche would say no, nicht wahr?
Ciao,
Adrian.

Russ Murphy

No, not arguing, just finding facts. I imagine you're right, but it does seem to be somewhat more than just a typographical error. Too many digits in a row and all that.