997 lines vs. 996 lines vs. 993 lines!!
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IMHO, I personally like the gradual curves of the 996 vs the 997, but still love the body styling of the 993. I am waiting for the 997 "replacement" for me to trade up.
Although 80% of the body panels of the 997 is different from the 996, they still use the same engine design, with the same RMS design flaw. Given, it's not a common problem, but when it does occur it is so dramatic (from what I read on the board) they should have fixed it. Reminds me of the quick redesign the 993 (95?-98) received from the previous generation.
I also think the round headlight work really well on the 993 with the shorter less-slanted nose, but just doesn't look right to me having the round handlamps with a longer more-sloped 996 style nose... though to each their own.
Just my $0.02.
Although 80% of the body panels of the 997 is different from the 996, they still use the same engine design, with the same RMS design flaw. Given, it's not a common problem, but when it does occur it is so dramatic (from what I read on the board) they should have fixed it. Reminds me of the quick redesign the 993 (95?-98) received from the previous generation.
I also think the round headlight work really well on the 993 with the shorter less-slanted nose, but just doesn't look right to me having the round handlamps with a longer more-sloped 996 style nose... though to each their own.
Just my $0.02.
Last edited by dimnslow; 10-08-2006 at 02:06 PM.
#17
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Originally Posted by Palting
Headlights. I am definitely in the minority here. I LIKE the teardrop shape of the C4S/TT and later 996 headlights. It sets them apart from any other 911, and it's GREAT looking to boot.....
...I definitely think they made a mistake going back to the ovals.
...I definitely think they made a mistake going back to the ovals.
#18
Originally Posted by evansaero
The ride is completely different. For me a least
I own a 00 C4 and last time it was in the shop I got a 06 C4 as a loaner for 6 days. Put about 500 mile on it...
Stock 00' vs. Stock 06'
00' Floats at higher speed vs. 06' none at all "at least up to 110mph"
I own a 00 C4 and last time it was in the shop I got a 06 C4 as a loaner for 6 days. Put about 500 mile on it...
Stock 00' vs. Stock 06'
00' Floats at higher speed vs. 06' none at all "at least up to 110mph"
Originally Posted by evansaero
00' shifter is a mile long vs. 06' short and tight
Originally Posted by evansaero
00' clutch hard to find a good release point vs. 06' same sweet spot every time
Originally Posted by evansaero
00' PSM kicks in early vs. 06 lets you take it to the edge and won't jerk you around when it does kick in
Originally Posted by evansaero
00' good grip vs. endless grip and more "This was my favorite part"
Originally Posted by evansaero
00' tracks and wonders vs. 06' let your hands go and just close your eyes
#19
Drifting
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Originally Posted by DCP
But the headlights. IMO the headlights on the 996 are a mess. Just because you can shape plastic in ways you could not previously does not mean it is a good idea. The return to round 993 style lights is a big styling improvement. But it is just styling.
#20
True: stock vs. stock. The 997 shifter was changed to become 15% shorter and more direct. The sport shifter option decreases throws 30% on 996's and an additional 15% on 997's with a huge improvement in shifter feel and throws for both.
A new clutch wa put in my car when it was certified. They installed a 997 clutch, which has now superceeded the 996 clutch. It feels almost exactly the same as a 997 with a high realease, except a 997 has a slightly lighter pedal. If your release point is shifting, I would suggest having your clutch fluid changed. It is most likely air in the clutch line.
Thanks for the info
What PSM? My 02' has none. I like to think I am fortunate to have full control of my car and not having to turn PSM off everytime I get into it.
What size and type of wheel and tires are you running on your 00'? I have always been amazed at how much grip the 996's with the optional 18" wheels have. Both the tire width and tires effect this. I have swapped with a friend with a 06' 997 and my car with 225/285 Bridgestome S03's has significantly more grip that his car with 18" 235/265 Conti's...especially in the back end.
My car has not had any problems tracking or wandering with the stock or ROW M030 even with a street track alignment (-.7 camber front/-1.5 camber back). Now that I have upgraded to GT3 control arms, I have bumped the camber up to -1.6 front and -1.9 rear. I do have some tramlining so more conecntration is needed. It about the same as you would experience with a GT3 with the same settings. Again, what size and type of wheels and tires are you running on your 00'? When was the last time you checked your bushings, ball joints and tie rod ends?
#21
Drifting
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Originally Posted by 02 Carrera
The most significant change is from the 3/4 view, not present in these photos. The 996 had very wide door sills and door structures. These were drastically narrowed in the 997 to give more of a peanut shape to the side profile and make the rear fenders more pronounced.
Here's a different view. Still VERY similar!!! Way more alike than the 993.
Last edited by arr0gant; 05-03-2013 at 05:15 PM.
#22
Racer
I still have a hard time telling a 997 'at a glance' from the 996 unless it's coming straight at me on the road. I personally don't see that much 993 in the car at all. :/
But by far the WORST styling decision on the 997 is that terribly ugly rear bumper line. The car already had a tail-heavy look but the angle of that line just breaks it up in the worst possible manner. Like something from Bangle's House of BMW abortions.
Look at arrogant's rear photos above and see how much simpler and cleaner the rear-end of the 996 looks...straight lines connecting underneath the engine cover and all of it in line with the with the bottom of the tail lights. Why mess with it unless you're just doing it so people can tell the cars apart from behind.
But by far the WORST styling decision on the 997 is that terribly ugly rear bumper line. The car already had a tail-heavy look but the angle of that line just breaks it up in the worst possible manner. Like something from Bangle's House of BMW abortions.
Look at arrogant's rear photos above and see how much simpler and cleaner the rear-end of the 996 looks...straight lines connecting underneath the engine cover and all of it in line with the with the bottom of the tail lights. Why mess with it unless you're just doing it so people can tell the cars apart from behind.
#23
The 02 996 turbo front and headlights is much more sexy and aggressive, than the 997 pre 02 996 and the 993. I feel porsche went backwards on the front of the car.Now I must say the rear fenders look nice.
Last edited by MYSTRO; 10-28-2007 at 01:46 AM.
#25
Three Wheelin'
reviving a thread from the dead...but I just bought a cabriolet wind deflector for a 997 and it fits my 996 perfectly.
I guess the interior dimensions really didn't change?
Also in my office garage - there are 5 996's and 8 997's.
I can definitely tell them apart but I have to say most general public cannot.
I guess the interior dimensions really didn't change?
Also in my office garage - there are 5 996's and 8 997's.
I can definitely tell them apart but I have to say most general public cannot.
#26
There is a great trade-off with the horribly ugly 996 headlights. They make for a remarkably cheap car for us. Seriously, we get a $50,000 car for $20,000 because the headlights are so terrible and we don't have to see them from behind the wheel. That's a great deal in my opinion.
#27
Burning Brakes
The only thing I didn't love about both 996's I owned were the headlights. The broken egg design has not aged well (my opinion only of course). I love the classic lines and face of my 993 though....so organic and there just isn't a bad angle (again my subjective opinion only).
#28
Racer
I own a 2000 996. I love it. With that said, I happen to think the 997 looks a bit better. A bit.
I have to say though that I think my old school '84 is better looking than both of them. I'll go even further and say that I think the 993 isn't all that. Yes, it has nice hips, but the front end is not it's best view, and it certainly isn't as beautiful as the old, original 911.
Sorry 993 fans. I just don't see it with that version of the 911.
I have to say though that I think my old school '84 is better looking than both of them. I'll go even further and say that I think the 993 isn't all that. Yes, it has nice hips, but the front end is not it's best view, and it certainly isn't as beautiful as the old, original 911.
Sorry 993 fans. I just don't see it with that version of the 911.
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I own a 2000 996. I love it. With that said, I happen to think the 997 looks a bit better. A bit.
I have to say though that I think my old school '84 is better looking than both of them. I'll go even further and say that I think the 993 isn't all that. Yes, it has nice hips, but the front end is not it's best view, and it certainly isn't as beautiful as the old, original 911.
Sorry 993 fans. I just don't see it with that version of the 911.
I have to say though that I think my old school '84 is better looking than both of them. I'll go even further and say that I think the 993 isn't all that. Yes, it has nice hips, but the front end is not it's best view, and it certainly isn't as beautiful as the old, original 911.
Sorry 993 fans. I just don't see it with that version of the 911.
2) reconsider!
That is one beautiful 993!