mooty

glad you agree, that means a lot coming driver of your experience. now if you can call up porsche and add 50hp onto it, i be very happy. i dont want aftermarket, i want it from porsche.

too bad that you didn't become a porsche dealer like you planned, else you can sell me a few cayman S's below boxster S price ;-)

i really enjoy flogging the cayman.

Bob Rouleau

Mooty - I am still bummed I did not get the dealership. My son has a Cayman S and we traded cars. He has Cups and I was very impressed. His car lacks the grunt of my GT3 but the corner speeds were outstanding! Way faster at entry, the balance of the chassis is evident. In sport mode the suspension is outstanding for a street car. As you say, a GT3 motor in that car would be a world beater.

Best,

arr0gant

I DID quote where I got my numbers. They are in teh link below my comments.

I don't see anywhere on Edmunds site that sais what a new base 1999 Boxster is

busaganashi

I thought I'd post an update since I seemed to have started all this. Thanks goes out to Boolala, a Chicago area member, who took time out of his day to visit the dealer offering the C4S. In a nutshell, the dealers description of "showroom" condition doesn't quite meet my view of what that is. Boolala saved me a ton of hassle and probably money too.

The search goes on....

Doug&Julie

Ah, now I see why you feel so strongly about your "facts". And no, the base Boxster in 1999 was not $58k. In fact, the current Boxster (and Boxster S, for that matter) are below $58k new. The current base Boxster is $45k, and the Boxster S is $54.7k. ..before options, of course. FWIW the base Cayman is going to be under $50k, and only the Cayman S is above $58k ($58.9k) (http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/boxster/)

When the Boxster first came out in '97, it was "praised" for being an under $40k Porsche ($39.9k). Most impressive is how little the price has gone up over the years, even though the car just gets better and better. My brother bought his nicely optioned '03 for right around $45k. I'm sorry I don't have any source for "my numbers" on the 99s...you'll just have to take my word for it since I've owned two.

Doug&Julie

Good luck with your search!

..and remember, you don't have to worry about "condition" with a brand new car.

Doug&Julie

You're right...and he respects the brand for the abilities of it's cars. He loved the 997S, and even in the Cayman S report he admitted it's an amazing driving machine. He just finds little things to pick on and runs with them! (..design...marketing..)

Doug&Julie

[QUOTE=JimB]I think it raced at the Nurburgring 24 Hours. Not sure how well it did, but it sure looks sexy!

..and no, it's not a factory effort.

perfectlap

you think 25 years from now a 996 will be worth $20K? are you talking about a sealed garage queen with no more than 5K original miles? or 25 year old 996 with well north of 60K miles?

The Boxster is made from MANY of the same parts as the 996 and costs the same to maintain and the hourly labor is the same for both at the dealer. Reliability is almost identical and neither are immune to the RMS issue. Depreciation has little to do with the design of the car (well perhaps the pre-2000 Boxsters)
and the depreciation has much more to do with the large numbers of Boxster that Porsche churned out to keep the mothership from going under. Allot of those Boxsters went out for leases and are/have been coming back now at too great a pace for all of the dealers to absorb. Which of course means the supply will exceed the demmand and the prices will fall at the corresponding rate.
Many standard Carreras have lost half of their value in a five-6 year period a very similar rate to standard Boxsters. Simply having Carrera on the trunk won't save it from a significant dip unless it offers big power or AWD. Well mileaged standard Carreras are all over Ebay and other online sites in the $30K's. Optioning either Boxster ro Carrera to big total markups will always bite you in the ****.

Bob Rouleau

Guys, I think the days of low depreciation on a Porsche are over. As volume and availability have increased resale prices have been depressed. If you want low depreciation, find an F 430 (if you can). That being said, if I had the choice of a new Cayman S or a 3 year old 911, I'd go with the Cayman S without hesitation assuming I did not need AWD.

Regards,

Riad

True. But even with the F430 don't put any miles on it. Those cars tumble downward with high miles.

perfectlap

[QUOTE=JimB]really??? i think that's a horrible example of motorsports prestiege/cred being comprimised by marketing. Who else does this??
Would Patrick Long best the competition better in a Cayman or a 911 platform? Naturally just about every racing driver would choose the Cayman platform but a better car and the ability to show the best possible race is interferred with by a need to sell cars to guys who will never go near a track even as a spectator!???
The same guys who were like "what's all the commotion about it's just a Boxster with a fixed roof" meanwhile the track addicts are running to the track to see waht the tuners have done to it.

Porsche insists of holding onto the past at a time they can well afford to be a bit more forward thinking. Meanwhile the road purpose ZO6 is spanking the 911 at Laguna Seca by SECONDS. The starbucks middle aged mocha latter frufru drinkers are dictation what the racers can do. Oh dear...

JimB

Perfect,
If I understand your post correctly I think we are in violent agreement. I've said for a long time that the engineers should design the cars not the marketing department. If that was the case I think the Cayman would be the go fast car and the 911 would be the go fast in luxury car. I'm not a marketing guy but I would think that the 911 could remain the flagship without being the fastest Porsche. I think most 911 owners would be ok with watching a Cayman based racecar win races as long as it is a Porsche.
Jim

perfectlap

+1^

Doug&Julie

+2 ^^