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Old 04-22-2006, 02:26 AM
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I know "fast" shouldn't be my criteria to choose Porsche but someone says 320hp C2 runs 4.6-4.7( I hope this is true ) and some official site says, it is about 5.2-5.7. Who can tell me the truth?
Who can give me exact tested number?
Old 04-22-2006, 05:54 AM
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Actually you wouldn't be making a mistake in making "fast" a criteria in choosing Porsche. They just charge a lot of money for their very fast cars (GT and GT3).

My 296 hp 1999 C2 can do around 4.7-4.9 (varies with conditions and runs + measurement errors).

Nobody is "lying" - honestly nobody cares to "lie" about it. 0-60 measurements depend of driver, conditions of car and weather and also technique. That said, can you point me to the official site stating 5.2-5.7 sec 0-60 mph times for the carrera 996/997 ??
Old 04-22-2006, 06:17 AM
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Put your C2 on a serious diet and watch the numbers drop.
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Porsche has always put numbers on the conservative side, so no one will get a negative surprise.

Official numbers are in the lower 5 secs range. Lots of posts in here about being measured at around 4.5 -> 5
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EVO magazine and Motor Trend both tested a 3.4L C2 at 4.6secs 0-60mph, and in the low 13's in the quarter mile. Not only is it fast as heck 0-60mph, but time to distance is also very fast because of the awesome traction. So many people waaaaaay underestimate what an angry 996 can do when you really learn to work it.

Porsche is conservative with those tests- probably roll on the gas with no wheel spin, and do easy shifts. Something anyone could do.

Think about it: A 3.4L C2 has 296-300hp and only weighs a little over 2900lbs. Of course it's gonna be fast as heck.

It's all about technique. I'll bet some money that I could beat a typical magazine writer in a drag race. Why not- I own a Porsche and drive it every day. I know this thing inside and out. A test driver from some magazine gets a few days a year. Plus, they aren't exactly Jackie Stewart or Mario Andretti quality drivers.
Old 04-22-2006, 11:54 AM
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IIRC, this info was in the manual?
Old 04-22-2006, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Sids911
Actually you wouldn't be making a mistake in making "fast" a criteria in choosing Porsche. They just charge a lot of money for their very fast cars (GT and GT3).

My 296 hp 1999 C2 can do around 4.7-4.9 (varies with conditions and runs + measurement errors).

Nobody is "lying" - honestly nobody cares to "lie" about it. 0-60 measurements depend of driver, conditions of car and weather and also technique. That said, can you point me to the official site stating 5.2-5.7 sec 0-60 mph times for the carrera 996/997 ??
Yep, I agree. Also, some cars are just faster or quicker than others. You can take two identical models of the same year and one will most likely be just a little bit faster or quicker.
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The car will do 0-60 in 2.4 seconds if you drive it off a cliff... the ultimate rush.
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riad you are a riot!!!
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In your own car, you will average 5.2-5.7, since you won't want the rear axles to hop out, and it would be nice to get a little more use out of the clutch. But, if you loan your car to a magazine tester, he will get to 4.7 and return a car ready for resale to an unususpecting buyer, perhaps somebody like you.
Don't buy it for 0-60, think of another reason. The low times are an artifact of rear weight bias, fat rear tires, clutch and driveline abuse, trial and error, slam shifting, a quirk of multiple efforts, and a general insensitivity to the well-being of the car. AS
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Originally Posted by riad
The car will do 0-60 in 2.4 seconds if you drive it off a cliff... the ultimate rush.
Wouldn't it be more like 2.74 or am I doing something wrong?
Old 04-22-2006, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by madporsche
I know "fast" shouldn't be my criteria to choose Porsche but someone says 320hp C2 runs 4.6-4.7( I hope this is true ) and some official site says, it is about 5.2-5.7. Who can tell me the truth?
Who can give me exact tested number?
For 2002, Porsche listed the coupe with a manual at 5 seconds, but Porsche's figure is to 62 MPH. Tips and C4s were low to mid 5 range. Car and Driver got a 300HP 996 to 60 in 4.8 seconds and estimated the 320HP car would go 4.6.

The 996 is a fast car; 0-60 in sub-5 seconds if you have to, top speed over 170 with even the 296HP motor, .91g or so on the skidpad with stock suspension and right at 1.0+ with sport suspension. Sure, there are faster cars, but there's a heck of a lot of slower ones.

You don't get one of these cars to win the stoplight grand prix. If 0-60 is the criteria, you can go as quickly for thousands less in any number of other cars.

Fast is relative. There's a saying that the Piper Cub is the safest airplane in the world because it will only go fast enough to barely kill you...........
Old 04-22-2006, 03:18 PM
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AS is right. In order to get typical magazine times, you have to thrash your car. Burnouts to heat up the tires, massive wheel hop, fried clutches, etc. And, it takes multiple and various combinations to find just the right technique and get the best time. It's not the same as an AWD slush-box that is repeatable every time. Launching a manual Porsche is not consistent.
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i cant believe the new Lexus IS350 is bragging 0-60mph in 5.3 secs. I think that is w/ an auto... so no driver skill required.
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Originally Posted by Alexander Stemer
In your own car, you will average 5.2-5.7, since you won't want the rear axles to hop out, and it would be nice to get a little more use out of the clutch. But, if you loan your car to a magazine tester, he will get to 4.7 and return a car ready for resale to an unususpecting buyer, perhaps somebody like you.
Don't buy it for 0-60, think of another reason. The low times are an artifact of rear weight bias, fat rear tires, clutch and driveline abuse, trial and error, slam shifting, a quirk of multiple efforts, and a general insensitivity to the well-being of the car. AS
I agree with all of that, and there's something else you didn't mention. The magazine boys just don't get into a car and pop off a great time. They do multiple runs, and the time you see posted is the best of their efforts.


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