Is the 996 getting too refined?
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I'm driving my C4S and as of late I feel it's so smooth and rock solid that it's less than thrilling. For example, without realizing it I'll be a 100-110 (miles per year of course officer) and it'll feel the same as 50. I'm thinking that for this kind of money the hairs on the back of my neck should be sticking up a bit more often.
In my old Boxster or Ferrari at those speeds the car felt...a little bit less settled and there was a challenge and thrill to keep it all together.
I don't know...call me crazy...anybody want to join me at the asylum?
In my old Boxster or Ferrari at those speeds the car felt...a little bit less settled and there was a challenge and thrill to keep it all together.
I don't know...call me crazy...anybody want to join me at the asylum?
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You have really, REALLY missed out all these years.
My 78 911 Targa has ALWAYS been more stable above 90MPH than below, not to say, at all, that it was unstable below.
My 01 AWD 996 was cruising so smoothly and stable at 130+ on the Autobahn that my wife had to look at the speedometer before she told me I was going too fast for her comfort.
My 78 911 Targa has ALWAYS been more stable above 90MPH than below, not to say, at all, that it was unstable below.
My 01 AWD 996 was cruising so smoothly and stable at 130+ on the Autobahn that my wife had to look at the speedometer before she told me I was going too fast for her comfort.
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I think most of us have driven several 911 versions over the years. It seems to me that it's not just the 996 all of a sudden is sophisticated. It's just more so than the 993 v the 964 v Carrera v SC v S, etc.
But then again, I'm no expert, but maybe the smoothness has been replaced by angst over whether or not the engine is going to blow/oil or coolant is going to leak/etc.
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But then again, I'm no expert, but maybe the smoothness has been replaced by angst over whether or not the engine is going to blow/oil or coolant is going to leak/etc.
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[quote]Originally posted by Don Watson:
<strong>I'm no expert, but maybe the smoothness has been replaced by angst over whether or not the engine is going to blow/oil or coolant is going to leak/etc.
</strong><hr></blockquote>Definitely a worth while trade-off. And I know this car is much less expensive to maintain than the air cooled older Carreras.
Maybe I need to drive my wife's car some more. Or drive with the sunroof open and windows down more frequently.
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<strong>I'm no expert, but maybe the smoothness has been replaced by angst over whether or not the engine is going to blow/oil or coolant is going to leak/etc.
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Maybe I need to drive my wife's car some more. Or drive with the sunroof open and windows down more frequently.
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Guys,
I don't know - a lot is made of this. Too much, I think. My brother drives a 996 C2 and, yes, it is more refined than my 993S but it's no Lexus! And as much as I like to joke about the water burners it is one hell of a nice motor. I wish my 3.6 air cooled had the torque band that even the 3.4 996 motor has!
You guys have one nice car - and I especially like the new C4S - first 996 that really made me stop and think for a moment...
Regards,
Ben
I don't know - a lot is made of this. Too much, I think. My brother drives a 996 C2 and, yes, it is more refined than my 993S but it's no Lexus! And as much as I like to joke about the water burners it is one hell of a nice motor. I wish my 3.6 air cooled had the torque band that even the 3.4 996 motor has!
You guys have one nice car - and I especially like the new C4S - first 996 that really made me stop and think for a moment...
Regards,
Ben
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Jim I don't think your nuts at all. David E. Davis Jr. of Automobile magazine mentioned something about the Porsche 996's moving into 928 territory and he didn't happen to think that was such a good thing.
Recently I got a chance to take a 996 around the block and it just made my 88 928S4 feel so old. It wasn't so much that it was a few hairs quicker at slower speeds (at higher mph things equaled out)but everything felt so light and easy.
Anyway, it's not to say there aren't challenges driving a new Porsche at the limit. Just that in the older cars you could really feel like you were doing something at half the limit.
Recently I got a chance to take a 996 around the block and it just made my 88 928S4 feel so old. It wasn't so much that it was a few hairs quicker at slower speeds (at higher mph things equaled out)but everything felt so light and easy.
Anyway, it's not to say there aren't challenges driving a new Porsche at the limit. Just that in the older cars you could really feel like you were doing something at half the limit.
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jim
open your sunroof and windows!
turn up the bose!
better yet test drive a lexus or s class mercedes-that is isolation from the road!
then try to take some tight corners at speeds you now take for granted--then you'll remeber why you bought your 996 c4s! <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" /> :
open your sunroof and windows!
turn up the bose!
better yet test drive a lexus or s class mercedes-that is isolation from the road!
then try to take some tight corners at speeds you now take for granted--then you'll remeber why you bought your 996 c4s! <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" /> :
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[quote]Originally posted by ignacio:
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turn up the bose!
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ick. why would you want to do that? Bose only sounds good when it's off...
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turn up the bose!
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ick. why would you want to do that? Bose only sounds good when it's off...
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[quote]Originally posted by Bins:
<strong>You just need to put some "go louder" stripes onto the car...</strong><hr></blockquote>I can't find any stipes to match the purple neon lighting I had intalled to the undercarriage.
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<strong>You just need to put some "go louder" stripes onto the car...</strong><hr></blockquote>I can't find any stipes to match the purple neon lighting I had intalled to the undercarriage.
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I had a similar "problem" with my 996 Turbo. Here's how I "solved" the problem:
1. H&R coilovers and Ruf rear axle aluminum bushings. Feel the road!
2. GT3 adjustable sway bars. Control understeer!
3. A sports exhaust. Hear the engine!
4. GT3 seats. Even more feel!
These are all tradeoffs. The stock Turbo is a very nice GT/sports car. My Turbo is a very nice sports car
1. H&R coilovers and Ruf rear axle aluminum bushings. Feel the road!
2. GT3 adjustable sway bars. Control understeer!
3. A sports exhaust. Hear the engine!
4. GT3 seats. Even more feel!
These are all tradeoffs. The stock Turbo is a very nice GT/sports car. My Turbo is a very nice sports car
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