MY2002 996 Engine Failure! PNA To Cover Replacement...
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by adscab911:
<strong>Doesn't anyone think it is ridiculous that a one year old motor with just over 10K on the clock needs to be replaced? What's up with that? What is happening to "German" engineering?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">If this was the only one, it would't be ridiculous but since this isn't, it in deed, is very much ridiculous.
<strong>Doesn't anyone think it is ridiculous that a one year old motor with just over 10K on the clock needs to be replaced? What's up with that? What is happening to "German" engineering?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">If this was the only one, it would't be ridiculous but since this isn't, it in deed, is very much ridiculous.
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Update: They don't know if they can do an X51 (not X50) upgrade, and is still being looked into.
So here's a question... I would be cool with a rebuilt X51 engine at an extra price, but not with a rebuilt standard engine. Why should I accept a rebuilt replacement part, which IMHO is still a used part, instead of a completely new replacement part.
Thoughts!? Am I being unreasonable? I'm going to have to pull out and read the warranty.
So here's a question... I would be cool with a rebuilt X51 engine at an extra price, but not with a rebuilt standard engine. Why should I accept a rebuilt replacement part, which IMHO is still a used part, instead of a completely new replacement part.
Thoughts!? Am I being unreasonable? I'm going to have to pull out and read the warranty.
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here is a question to consider. with airplane engines, there are rebuilds, and then there are rebuilds. your engine core has 10,000 miles on it. it is possible, if this is an issue, that you may get back a rebuilt engine with far more hours on it. again, i don't know if this is an issue with auto rebuilds. if it is, check into just what they replace on the rebuild, or get a brand new engine.
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There is nothing wrong with a rebuilt engine if its from Porsche in Germany, it doesn't get any better than that. We're not talking about a rebuilt from the local auto parts store. I would take it and be happy that the car was under warranty and it costs you nothing. Keep in mind that you are still under warranty after they put that motor in and it will look brand new, its not going to be some rebuilt painted blue. This motor will have all the latest updates done to it and will be better than what you had, and when you consider that what you had was broken, then this really sounds like a great deal.
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I wonder when Porsche is going to get the 996/986 engine right. I think this failure rate is appalling for a Porsche, let alone any other brand. We are talking 2002 engines built after over 5 years to improve the design failing in 10,000 miles here, not much solace for someone who gets a new engine that quality has improved. This may kill the value of the used cars, who wants to buy an off warrantee car with a time bomb engine. <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />
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Cydog, I just picked up my 2000 C2 from the dealer after having the engine replaced. It had 12,000 miles on it in 3 years. I was not too thrilled, but when I went it to see the mechanic, he showed me the rebuilt engine (which looked absolutely brand new) and said it is just as good as a brand new one. The new engine sounds much smoother than before. After break in we'll see how the power is. Scott
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They were not exactly sure what the problem was. I have burned 1qt of oil every 5-600 miles since the start with a lot of smoke on start up. Everyone said it was not a big deal. At 6k miles the plugs were bad so they replaced them. Now at 12k miles the plugs were bad again. They narrowed it down to the #4 cylinder, but when they did a leak-down test, they could not find anything too out of the ordinary. Porsche wanted the dealer to tear into the engine to inspect,the dealer said with the history of burning oil, smoke, and bad plugs, the engine should just be replaced. Porsche said no, but then decided to go ahead and do it. That is the story I got. I'm sure yours will be great with the new engine. Good luck. Scott
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That really sucks guys.It is really surprising that these stuff are happening. I'm not aware of these stuff happening with the older engines. This puff of smoke that everyone said it was not a big deal and the plug fouling at 6K !!!!...my my how can they say these things??!
While Porsche sends a rebuilt engine I suspect that these units are the previously grenaded ones repaired and rebuilt. If I was in your shoes guys I would not accept anything BUT a new engine or a guarantee from porsche that the rebuilt engine had equal or less miles than mine. It reminds me of my insurance guy who wanted to put a used bumper on my 10K mile M3 when i had a fender bender! I told him heck no, there was no way I would accept this on a as new maintained car with so few miles on...
Sorry this is ridiculous for you guys that paid what, more than 80K for your cars?
While Porsche sends a rebuilt engine I suspect that these units are the previously grenaded ones repaired and rebuilt. If I was in your shoes guys I would not accept anything BUT a new engine or a guarantee from porsche that the rebuilt engine had equal or less miles than mine. It reminds me of my insurance guy who wanted to put a used bumper on my 10K mile M3 when i had a fender bender! I told him heck no, there was no way I would accept this on a as new maintained car with so few miles on...
Sorry this is ridiculous for you guys that paid what, more than 80K for your cars?
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Update: Got a call from the dealer, and PNA will do the swap with a new engine.
All in all, a good ending, but I wouldn't jumped for the rebuilt X51.
All in all, a good ending, but I wouldn't jumped for the rebuilt X51.
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How often are the 996 engines failing? I've never heard of such an issue until this thread...then again, I don't watch the 996 board.
Is it usually the same reason for the failure?
Is it usually the same reason for the failure?
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My 2002 C2 had the engine replaced at 2000 miles. I had major oil consumption but was never told what was wrong. Car was prefect afterward and was running strong with 27000 miles when I traded for my Turbo
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I am tempted at jumping into this watercooled world but those incessant reports of engine failures have been, hmm..., disappointing.
I have read somewhere that the reason is the new technique used to make the aluminium engine casing is not bulletproof; ie. they "manage" to inject air bubbles into it and thus the thermal properties are very inconsistant. This translates into engines failing in various ways.
I have read failure rates up to 35% at the production. Most of them should be melted down again. I suppose.
Anybody heard this as well. Just bogus?
Jan
I have read somewhere that the reason is the new technique used to make the aluminium engine casing is not bulletproof; ie. they "manage" to inject air bubbles into it and thus the thermal properties are very inconsistant. This translates into engines failing in various ways.
I have read failure rates up to 35% at the production. Most of them should be melted down again. I suppose.
Anybody heard this as well. Just bogus?
Jan
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Cupcar:
<strong>I wonder when Porsche is going to get the 996/986 engine right. I think this failure rate is appalling for a Porsche, let alone any other brand. We are talking 2002 engines built after over 5 years to improve the design failing in 10,000 miles here, not much solace for someone who gets a new engine that quality has improved. This may kill the value of the used cars, who wants to buy an off warrantee car with a time bomb engine. <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Ditto... Scares the heck out of me for buying an used 996...
<strong>I wonder when Porsche is going to get the 996/986 engine right. I think this failure rate is appalling for a Porsche, let alone any other brand. We are talking 2002 engines built after over 5 years to improve the design failing in 10,000 miles here, not much solace for someone who gets a new engine that quality has improved. This may kill the value of the used cars, who wants to buy an off warrantee car with a time bomb engine. <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Ditto... Scares the heck out of me for buying an used 996...