Next generation GT3 coming here?
Drifting
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From: Villanova, PA
[quote]Originally posted by Robert Henriksen:
<strong> a white student </strong><hr></blockquote>
Wow, I guess you can still get away with that in the south...
Just kidding Robert, I couldnt resist...
As for 150k for a GT3, no thanks. I'll take one of <a href="http://www.pcarracing.homestead.com/radical1.html" target="_blank">these</a> for 50k and drive circles around any GT3 (including the RS).
E. J.
<strong> a white student </strong><hr></blockquote>
Wow, I guess you can still get away with that in the south...
Just kidding Robert, I couldnt resist...
As for 150k for a GT3, no thanks. I'll take one of <a href="http://www.pcarracing.homestead.com/radical1.html" target="_blank">these</a> for 50k and drive circles around any GT3 (including the RS).
E. J.
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Rodger J
Spoke with my brother yesterday. There is a dealer in Boston who has GT2 at list for quite some time. Just one car I know about, without doing any searching. Clearly with only 250 cars over two years they are not going to be on every street corner. <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
Spoke with my brother yesterday. There is a dealer in Boston who has GT2 at list for quite some time. Just one car I know about, without doing any searching. Clearly with only 250 cars over two years they are not going to be on every street corner. <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
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I wanna go w/ Grant, on the appx $90-100k pricing.
At $140-150K ,IMHO it would be a bad joke. Back in September( I think,.. have article @ office) from online News service-Automotive News stated something like 85-90 Euro's,or priced between the C4S & the Turbo & it's definitly coming to the US, w/ A/C as an option on the "plain" GT3, w/ 3.8L and also offering a GT3 "Club Sport" w/ roll bar & few other goodies. I also seem to remember thoughts of production numbers to be increased to appx 1100-1400 units, maybe a few more.
Here's hoping.
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Buck
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At $140-150K ,IMHO it would be a bad joke. Back in September( I think,.. have article @ office) from online News service-Automotive News stated something like 85-90 Euro's,or priced between the C4S & the Turbo & it's definitly coming to the US, w/ A/C as an option on the "plain" GT3, w/ 3.8L and also offering a GT3 "Club Sport" w/ roll bar & few other goodies. I also seem to remember thoughts of production numbers to be increased to appx 1100-1400 units, maybe a few more.
Here's hoping.
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Buck
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'91 C2 G. Red Fairly well sorted"Track Meister"
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$145K for a GT3?! It's a joke to pay that $50K mark up to PCNA. I would rather spend that kind of money on a 360 Modena over a GT3 at any time!
May be PCNA would like to create some opportunities for gray import GT3 for the USA...
There is no way a street GT3 would cost more than a 996TT. Guys at PCNA are dreaming!
May be PCNA would like to create some opportunities for gray import GT3 for the USA...
There is no way a street GT3 would cost more than a 996TT. Guys at PCNA are dreaming!
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From: Long Island , NY
Why the GT3 SHOULD cost more than a TT
1. Coil over suspension
2. Adjustable sway bars
3. Better brakes (6 piston 380mm)
uh oh... running out of items.
I think the bottom line is 2 fold.
1. PCNA will probably gouge like they did the GT2
2. They will probably make alot less GT3's than they have TT's. This means that the development costs will be spilt less ways. This makes any limited production item more expensive. The X51, X74 options are great examples. The new parts don't cost any more to make than the originals, so why so much $ for the option... simple development costs. It cost $200,000 for Porsche to make the first set of X74 supsension and if they only sell 100 sets, thats $2000 each. If you want it, its worth it.
1. Coil over suspension
2. Adjustable sway bars
3. Better brakes (6 piston 380mm)
uh oh... running out of items.
I think the bottom line is 2 fold.
1. PCNA will probably gouge like they did the GT2
2. They will probably make alot less GT3's than they have TT's. This means that the development costs will be spilt less ways. This makes any limited production item more expensive. The X51, X74 options are great examples. The new parts don't cost any more to make than the originals, so why so much $ for the option... simple development costs. It cost $200,000 for Porsche to make the first set of X74 supsension and if they only sell 100 sets, thats $2000 each. If you want it, its worth it.
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Ed, your theory about development cost is correct, but how could a street GT3 managed to costs $25-30K more than a track GT3R Cup Car? The Cup car has much more advance motorsport technologies in it and it will be built in much lesser quantity than the street GT3. How could your theory apply to that?!
In Europe the street GT3 was priced around $100K and no way the US enthusiasts have to pay more on development cost on GT3 than the porsche GT3 owners in Europe!
Your theory is correct some how, but it can't apply to that ridiculous $45K markup from PCNA. IMO, it is simply a rip-off!
In Europe the street GT3 was priced around $100K and no way the US enthusiasts have to pay more on development cost on GT3 than the porsche GT3 owners in Europe!
Your theory is correct some how, but it can't apply to that ridiculous $45K markup from PCNA. IMO, it is simply a rip-off!
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I don't think they can call a $50K markup a development cost on a car they have already produced in the very recent past. Albeit there are a few upgrades on the new GT3 ( more hp and '02-on facelift). I would say there is probably less differences between a 99-00 and a '03?-4 GT3 than those between a 99-01 and '02- 996.
Oh, and I think they'll crank out the GT3s if they sell as they have done with the 996TT. Those can be had for the low $90s now( and falling), so much for exclusivity. <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
Oh, and I think they'll crank out the GT3s if they sell as they have done with the 996TT. Those can be had for the low $90s now( and falling), so much for exclusivity. <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
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i have the #2 slot at a dealer in boston and have been told the price is right at $100,000 and that there will be a "deal" on the ceramic brakes. frankly, i think porsche pricing is fairly rational. the biggest complaint i have is that a turbo doesn't come equipped with everything as part of the base price. by the time i added what i wanted the price was about $160,000. they should have a well-contented car for about $125,000 and then offer the GT2 at about $150,000 all-in. at $100,000 the GT3 is a great buy, imho. the minute i got the price and basic description, it resolved all my issues on which one to buy (i had been looking at 993TT's and 964 3.6 S cars and couldbn't get my head around the 996TT). -gordon
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Some potential good news.
A friend of mine was told the GT3 price would be "less than a 100K" from the same straight forward salesman he and I have bought Porsche cars from for many years. The salesman said he was told this at a PCNA sales meeting a few weeks ago and that the cars would be available in the spring. He also made the comment that $145K "would be silly, you could have an X50, Twin Turbo with ceramic brakes for that kind of dough". So, we will see as the saga plays out.
A friend of mine was told the GT3 price would be "less than a 100K" from the same straight forward salesman he and I have bought Porsche cars from for many years. The salesman said he was told this at a PCNA sales meeting a few weeks ago and that the cars would be available in the spring. He also made the comment that $145K "would be silly, you could have an X50, Twin Turbo with ceramic brakes for that kind of dough". So, we will see as the saga plays out.
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02_996_C2
You wrote "your theory about development cost is correct, but how could a street GT3 managed to costs $25-30K more than a track GT3R Cup Car?"
I agree. However, I think the question to ask is the cost to federalize the GT3 over limited numbers. (I assume the GT3R Cup Car does not have to meet fed. regs. as it is a track car.) So this cost could be fairly high when spread over 1,000 to 1,500 street cars. Mind you I am not defending PCNA's well deserved reputation for gouging.
You wrote "your theory about development cost is correct, but how could a street GT3 managed to costs $25-30K more than a track GT3R Cup Car?"
I agree. However, I think the question to ask is the cost to federalize the GT3 over limited numbers. (I assume the GT3R Cup Car does not have to meet fed. regs. as it is a track car.) So this cost could be fairly high when spread over 1,000 to 1,500 street cars. Mind you I am not defending PCNA's well deserved reputation for gouging.
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laurence,
Ferderalize any car to sell in the US is not cheap. But if PCNA is going to add on a $45K markup on the US GT3, they are just creating rooms for gray import GT3s much like the Euro Spec 360 problem Ferrari NA is facing now.
I believed many people here already got some insider information that the US GT3 will be priced around $100K which is about right when you compare it to the Euro GT3.
Ferderalize any car to sell in the US is not cheap. But if PCNA is going to add on a $45K markup on the US GT3, they are just creating rooms for gray import GT3s much like the Euro Spec 360 problem Ferrari NA is facing now.
I believed many people here already got some insider information that the US GT3 will be priced around $100K which is about right when you compare it to the Euro GT3.